• Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
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    9 months ago

    You can’t change Israel’s behaviour by stopping funds, they’d just double down and bankroll stuff on their own. You can get the UN to clean up the UNWRA by suspending funding.

    This is the sort of weird logic i’m talking about. You can’t change the action of one country so you continue pouring fund and stand with them and defend them of any wrongdoing. How’s that gonna change anything when everyone is actively encouraging them to do it rather than pulling back support and funding? If it’s another country it will get sanction to hell.

    It’s like your 12 years old only know how to throw a tantrum whenever they want something and instead of trying to correct it, you continue to support their behaviour and hope one day they will sort of grow out of it. Spoiler alert: it won’t.

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      How’s that gonna change anything

      It’s not. But other stuff does. I e.g. talked about how Poland dealt with things.

      Different actors in different situations require different approaches to change their behaviour. Is that such a controversial take?

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          Germany is effectively boycotting settlement products and has very deep ties into the whole of Israeli civil society and politics, doing our best behind the scenes to stop Israel from falling to fascism. We’re also funding tons of projects in Palestine, along with generally speaking the EU. Because of history and to not risk those deep ties, don’t ever expect Germany to play the bad cop.

          All these are long-standing and long-term strategies. I mean to even threaten suspending UNWRA funds you have to be funding them in the first place, aren’t you.

          UK historically has been very friendly with the Arabs so Israelis are apprehensive of them, anyway. They’re not a core player. Australia doesn’t even register on the radar and the US is, as so often, being bonkers.

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            9 months ago

            The government of Germany or people who are boycotting the settlement products

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              Those products aren’t even in shelves. It’s a EU-wide thing btw: Settlement products have to be labelled as such, not “made in Israel”, and stores aren’t offering them to customers, why would they. It’s kinda like advertising a product with “Made in a North Korean slave factory”, not exactly a selling point.

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            9 months ago

            Very hot take. Our media narrative and political communication are incredibly biased towards the Israeli take, we have 100,000s of Palestinian citizens and millions of Muslim citizens whose voices we ignore. We actively cancel funding for peace activists and silence even Jewish Israelis who are anti-Zionist. We still deliver weapons to Israel and now also deny funding for innocent civilians starving & freezing to death. Germany is not only complicit, Germany and other western countries are actively enabling this genocide and it sickens me.

          • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
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            9 months ago

            That long term strats seems to going down the drain, don’t you think? If the conflict started just last year then yeah it makes sense, but none of it makes any sense when the situation becoming worst and worst each conflict, with them claiming more and more West Bank land. What you mention above didn’t involve correcting Israel behaviour whatsoever.

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              That long term strats seems to going down the drain, don’t you think?

              I think without Germany Israel would’ve long since fallen to fascism.