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Cake day: June 25th, 2023

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  • And yet, more than 40% of Hungarian voters want to vote for Orbán again. Under his corrupt electoral system, that will be again a 2/3 supermajority. From a Hungarian: The prevailing belief here is “Orbán lies and sucks, but never again for Gyurcsány” or “Everyone sucks, Fidesz is the least bad” or even “There’s no better alternative”. This fuck should be voted out in 2026, but we know he won’t.

    From the state’s founding, Hungary is a Western country, which never wants to be part of the East on purpose. […] Eastern politics can’t tolerate autonomy, can’t tolerate independence, and can’t tolerate freedom. It eliminates the defences defending a human’s independence. […] It makes one vulnerable; if need be, it intimidates. […] Since the East stepped foot in Hungary, freedom-loving Hungarians like us always wanted the same: to liberate ourselves from their withering hugs, and to remove their domestic guards. […] Our wish always was this: we wanted a Western democracy which builds on Christian culture, and on the ideals of freedom, equality, and fraternity. We always fought against the faux-democracy […]

    – Viktor Orbán, 2007, in a segment to the young people in Hungary.

    illiberal democracy my ass.










  • For young people, No. 1 is becoming pretty clear, although parents influence is a thing.

    For a bit older people up to gen X, it’s “yeah sure but the opposition isn’t better” (which it is, but everyone is homophobic) or “playing two sides is smart” not realising how fucking cynical that is today.

    For even older people, ie retirees, it’s that Fidesz ramps up retirement pay close to every election like a pet-owner playing with their dogs.

    Note that what is now the Opposition had a speech recorded in 2006, where the party Leader, Ferenc Gyurcsány, openly said “We have lied through the last eight years” and “We fucked this [very vulgar version]. Not a little, [we’ve fucked this] a lot”. Orbán is obviously lying way more but he doesn’t say it out loud (Or is smart enough not to get it recorded).