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Not in modern America. Americans, for good reason, have a kneejerk negative reaction to the words “war in the middle east”. A war with Iran before November would seal Harris’s fate.

This is funny and I hate it.

Everyone being surprised the US doesn’t want a stable middle East: Insert surprised pikachu face.

Me neither but honestly widespread automation should come with a UBI system. Otherwise people will starve.

You’re knowingly be disingenuous, but if not you should know that Israeli Palestinians are the exception in Israel’s system of oppression. They’re the number of Palestinians Israel found acceptable to be in their territory in 1948 when they were kicking everyone else out.

Hamas did not lead any peace talks worth a damn

2008? 2012? 2013? These were all serious peace talks where they were unambiguously stiffed by Israel with clear malicious intent.

has only ever consisted of attacks on civilians, usually by firing missiles at settlements in unambiguously Israeli territory (attacking military installations or even settlements in the West Bank would’ve been at leriast somewhat defensible, but that’s not what they’ve been doing)

These attacks serve to cost Israel money needed to run the iron dome, and in large quantities can be a way of exerting political pressure (see: 2021) and causing economic losses by forcing evacuations. It’s not pretty, but it works.

then hiding behind their own civilian population to hinder Israeli retaliation, getting them killed in the process.

I’ve literally never seen evidence for this. And please don’t tell me they put their headquarters in residential areas because literally every military in the world does that. The human shields argument is, when you get down to it, taking issue with the fact that Hamas exists in Gaza, which is… Yeah.

They also did all that from Gaza, an area that Israel de-occupied after the Second Intifada, and which could have served as a positive example of peaceful Palestinian self-government and eventually independence instead of the opposite.

Educate yourself. This is too wrong to correct it all, but let me just point out that the blockade started immediately after the deoccupation and that Gaza is still considered occupied by the UN. Israel never had any intention of allowing peaceful Palestinian existence.

What about you, who are encouraging people to march to their deaths?

I’m not. If they want to cut their losses and hope for the best, more power to them. If they don’t, also more power to them. But don’t go pretending negotiations with Russia are some magic solution that will solve everything. These people are forced to choose between attempting to fight off a seemingly unbeatable aggressor or submitting to said aggressor, and neither is particularly attractive.

You aren’t better. You’re worse. You want people to die for some patriotic pride you’re applying to them.

So first, reported for incivility. Second, I’m not American or European or whatever you thought I am just now. I don’t have a horse in this race.

As an Egyptian, fucking yes.

And one hundred other jokes you can tell yourself.

True to an extent but you need economic output to give you weight in the international stage. Otherwise you start getting pushed around by other superpowers.

*Sanctioned but yeah.

Uh… What? I’m saying that Israel being fascist (at least in their treatment of Palestinians) was never temporary. They were fascist when they declared independence, they were fascist in the 50s, they were fascist in the 60s, etc etc until you get to today. Was there ever a point when Israel wasn’t fascist?

I mean fair enough but the reported number is 8. If they underreport what will they say? 10? 11? It’s very rare for Arab militias to score casualties in the double digits against the Israeli military (October 7th was a massive outlier), so I’d be inclined to take the number at face value or expect it to go up by one or two due to fatal injuries.

I mean yes. I’m addressing tankies who like to shit on Ukraine on the internet for not taking Russians offers for “peace”.

Honestly, I don’t think justice for Palestinians is likely. As I see it, peace is inevitable but moderately far at the pace we’re going, but justice would require a perceived violation of Israel’s integrity that Palestinians will never have the bargaining power to demand. It’d be throwing a wrench into a peace process that will likely be reluctant and fragile already. Justice would be nice to have as an addon, but Palestinians will likely choose to take the fastest route towards human rights, which will be a two-state solution where Palestinians make some concessions but gain a state with real sovereignty. If something drastically changes justice might become possible, but in my thinking it’ll be Palestinians, not Israelis, making concessions to make peace possible a la the Oslo Accords.

I mean morally it doesn’t, but it should matter for the US that it’s citizens are getting bombed. More than just a moral failure, America not acting to protect those citizens indicates its failure as a state. It’s very much worth pointing out.

I mean maybe but if the Ukrainian people want to try and save their country then let them.

That latter option won’t cause much change. Israel is, as a state and as a people, ideologically poisoned. They need something on the level of the denazification of Germany before you can hope for any change.

Pointless hate? These people are subject to Israeli Apartheid and acts of ethnic cleansing. Daily. What part of fighting that is pointless?

There are, in fact, none. That’s why Hamas managed to gain the Palestinian cause a lot of sympathy over the last 20 years while the PLO did absolutely fucking nothing.