Because associated independent preindustrial farms can’t face invasion from industrialized nations. Leaving the farmers in the past would have been the death of them. Remember: the USA, France, Poland, Japan, Greece, Estonia, Romania, Serbia and Italy invaded the RSFSR during the Russian Civil War for the sin of being communist. Stalin famously predicted the Nazi invasion 10 years in advance:

We are 50–100 years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they crush us.

-Stalin, 1931, talking about the industrialization of the Soviet Union.

What you say of the Russian Empire and the contemporary Russian Republic regarding treatment of the Ukrainians is true, but it’s simply false when it comes to the USSR. The USSR defended Ukrainian sovereignty from the start, creating a Ukrainian republic with Ukrainian as the official language, a majority of publications in Ukrainian, right to an education in Ukrainian, and representation of Ukrainian politicians to the point of the USSR having as party leaders for the most part Ukrainians such as Khruschev or Brezhnev. Had it not been for the Soviets (including Ukrainian themselves), Ukraine would have turned into a genocided German colony in the 1940s according to Generalplan Ost, or at best many of its territories would still belong to Poland such as the city of Lviv.

Can you provide a source for Stalin saying that?

This is literally “great replacement conspiracy theory” applied to Russians… Replace the word “Russians” with “Arabs” or “Muslims” and you’re saying literally the same as European Neofascists

Zionist scum

How is this fascist nonsense not banned from .world is beyond me

And how else would you describe mass imprisonment of pro-palestinian protesters? Furthermore: how is this fascist apologia not banned on .world?

Oh, sorry, I didnt know the “Freedom Eagle Burger index” based off Washington DC said it’s not fascist. Well, pack up guys, nothing to see here!

It’s a good source if it reports on the fascist behaviors of the UK government. With this trend, how long do you think western media will be able to report freely on this stuff?

We’re not great currently, but we are leaps and bounds better than Saudi Arabia right now

No, you are not. You have fascist brigades roaming around terrorizing minorities, you have innocents being taken to illegal prisons, you have a worldwide media apparatus boosting fascism all over the world, 20% of male black US population goes through jail (where slave labour is legal) at some point of their lives, you are intervening in regime change and upholding fascist puppets like Milei or Bolsonaro, you start war after war after war, and last but not least, you’re materially and diplomatically enabling the genocide of Palestinians by the fascist ethnostate of Isntreal. The US is not “leaps and bounds better than Saudi Arabia”.

Saudi Arabia is an absolutist monarchy where the person in power is a monarch, so playing a show for the monarchy is playing a show for the people in power.

The USA is a capitalist country where the people in power are capitalist owners, so playing a show in a privately-owned venue is playing a show for the people in power.

By that logic, Bill Burr and every single other comedian should leave the US and never perform there again, as the country currently engages in material support of genocide of Palestinians. I agree with that logic, I’m not playing devil’s advocate

…and local businesses constantly close in favour of big companies, as countries develop the amount of self-employed people goes down:

Source

Local businesses simply cannot outcompete ever-growing big businesses, and because big businesses are in a need to ever-grow to satisfy the raising stock value imperative, they inevitably intrude the market share of local businesses. This is well-known since the mid-1800s.

The US has military bases and ships parked in Taiwan, South Korea, Phillipines and Japan, and regularly patrols ships in the Taiwan strait. Surely this is only for defensive purposes? I wonder, why would China have amphibian ships given these circumstances? Would you find it weird for, say, the US to have amphibian training exercises if Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Nicaragua and Guatemala had Russian troops stationed and there were Russian military ships in the strait between Cuba and Florida?

You should also check out hexbear, it’s the most trans inclusive place on Lemmy and it’s defederated from .world so you don’t get the libs constantly on your feed

After the evidence I’ve shown you, calling it “invading Poland together with the Nazis” is honestly just lying. Ignoring that the territories returned were Ukrainian, Lithuanian and Belarusian for the overwhelming part is simply twisting history. It’s not “innocent poles getting oppressed by soviets”, it’s Ukrainians, Belarusians and Lithuanians being saved from Nazi invasion by Soviets. Again, answer this one question: what was the alternative to Soviet occupation of Eastern “Poland”. Please answer that.

You’re dishonest by refusing to entertaining the idea that the Soviets, as stated by Churchill, Chamberlain and Roosevelt, were not “collabbing with the Nazis”, but instead simply buying time to prepare for war. Evidence of the Soviet antifascist intervention on the opposite corner of the continent in the Spanish Civil War, the Litvinov doctrine, the collective security policy, pursued, the fact that the lands “invaded” weren’t even Polish for the most part, the mutual defense agreement with Czechoslovakia that made them want to start a collective war against Nazis which France refused, or asking yourself what was the alternative to Soviet occupation of the territories of Eastern Poland, none of this is enough.

And it’s not enough because you’re dishonest with your approach, because your starting point is “USSR bad, how can I justify this”, instead of “let’s look at the facts and reach a conclusion”. It doesn’t matter to you that Ukrainians and Belarusians overwhelmingly wanted to remain in the Soviet Union, you’ll still call them “unfree” because USSR bad. It doesn’t matter that the USSR saved Europe from fascism at the horrible cost of 25mn deaths, USSR bad. It doesn’t matter that literally every country in Europe had mutual nonaggression pacts with the Nazis at some point, history begins in 1939 and ends in 1941 because USSR bad. Munich Agreements don’t matter, Polish invasion of Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania doesnt matter, France rejecting to honor the Munich agreements doesnt matter, Spanish civil war doesn’t matter. Nothing matters, except for a 2-year interval in which the USSR was not at war with the Nazis.

What a serious historical analysis. Good job.

Ok, I’ve read through your comment and I’m a bit disappointed. You’re ignoring most of what I said, and your entire point is “but Poland, but Poland and but Poland”.

Your timeline conveniently starts in 1939 and ends in 1941, and you made no mention whatsoever of the Litvinov doctrine I brought up which explicitly was “seeking a collective security agreement with France and England against Nazis” for the entire 30s. You just reject the Spanish civil war as a nothingburger as if it weren’t the first antifascist war in Europe. You also don’t mention the Munich Agreements and somehow disregard the fact that France and Poland signed them with Hitler.

It’s not surprising Poland didn’t want Soviet troops in their country

Maybe it’s because Poland participated actively in the Munich agreements and got part of Czech land? By your own logic, Poland made an unforgivable deal with Hitler when invading Czechoslovakia. No blame there? History starts in 1939?

These countries weren’t free until FIVE DECADES LATER when the Soviet Union fell

Poland never belonged to the Soviet Union after the war, so your point is moot regarding Poland. As for Belarus and Ukraine, they respectively voted 83% and 71% IN FAVOR OF REMAINING IN THE SOVIET UNION IN THE 1991 REFERENDUM. What the hell are you talking about being free? Belarusian and Ukrainian people OVERWHELMINGLY DEMOCRATICALLY DECIDED TO BELONG IN THE SOVIET UNION. Please, tell me, how were Ukraine and Belarus not free?! Catalonia, for reference, recently had an independence referendum in which 50% of the population voted to leave Spain and the promoter of the referendum is a political refugee in Brussels. Please tell me in which fucking way Ukraine or Belarus weren’t free in the Soviet Union when they were two of the highest “yes” voters in the referendum.

You never addressed the public speeches by the leaders of France, USA and England admitting to what I’m saying. You never addressed the alternative to Eastern “Poland” (i.e. Belarus, Ukraine and Lithuanian territories) knowing that they would otherwise be invaded by Hitler, you never addressed the MILLION SOLDIERS that the Soviets offered and France rejected on exchange for a mutual defense agreement.

You simply ignored all of my comment, went on with the “but Motherboard-Ribbedcock” ignoring the history of the 10 previous years of consistent Soviet antifascist geopolitical position, and claim that the poor “Poles” (i.e. ethnic Ukrainians, Jews, Belarusians and Lithuanians) whose territories were returned to the Ukrainian, Belarusian and Lithuanian republics, were somehow oppressed Poles who somehow could have avoided Nazi genocide if it weren’t for Soviet intervention both in 1939 and in 1941.

I honestly expected a bit more of good faith from the exchange instead of doubling down on narrowing history to a skewed version of one treaty and ignoring the DEMOCRATIC WILL OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF VOTERS in the 1991 referendum by calling them “non-free” in the Soviet Union. So much for freedom.

Have you had time to read my other comment? I would appreciate some discussion if you have anything to say, I spent quite a while writing that

What in my comments makes you think I like one bit the nationalist Russian brand of fascism going on nowadays in Moscow? It’s the polar opposite of everything the Soviets fought and died for. How about you engage with the content of my comments instead of labelling me and doing a thought-terminating cliche? You still haven’t answered to how returning the city of Lviv to Ukraine and the city of Vilnius to Lithuania is an act of imperialism.

Russian maps from 2015 show Crimea to be Russian, do you agree it’s a Russian city? My entire point is that Lviv, one of the most important cities in Ukraine, was invaded by Poland in 1919. Soviets “invading” it in 1939 effectively meant returning it to Ukraine.