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Cake day: July 12th, 2023

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  • No, your first comment “asking” how the Arab slave trade compares is the whataboutism.

    But let’s finish this, shall we. How does the AST compare to others? The history of slavery in the Muslim world between 5th and 20th centuries had between 6-10 million victims. Meanwhile, the Atlantic Slave Trade had 12‐15 million victims stolen from Africa between the 15th and 19th centuries. Meaning more were taken over a shorter period of time, requiring a more violent and genocidal act to accomplish. So, the stealing was worse.

    And, remember, unlike the Arab slave trade, those aren’t the only victims. All of the African diaspora in the Americas are descendents of generations of the most cruel form of slavery humans have ever devised. An active, ongoing genocide as people were constantly displaced from their loved ones over and over again. They weren’t allowed any privacy except during church (for a religion forced on them). They had to marry in secret. Their children were taken from them, never to be seen again. Their hair was shorn for “wool”. Their dead were taken for leather and their bones used to process sugar.

    Oh! And in America, at least, they’re still being used as slaves (13th amendment) to this day.

    So yes, again, this was the worst crime humanity ever committed. Sit the fuck down with this shit. Trying to fucking whatabout the goddamn Atlantic Slave Trade.




  • Chattel slavery, the result of AST, is a supremely fucked version of slavery. Children of slaves were slaves, so this incentivized “breeding programs”, which, beyond the nonconsensual nature, often included violence and forced incest. Christian justification at the time was that they had to punish their slaves “to save them from their sins”. The sin being their skin color (see, the Curse of Ham)

    Arabic slavery had no generational component, since children of slaves were born free. Muslim practices of slavery had owners free their slaves at the end of their lives as a way of cleansing sins. Not defending either, but you wanted the whataboutism. So, there ya go. One is clearly worse than the other. Congrats?






  • No, what?

    The premise is “people wouldn’t choose to do certain work unless they were coerced into”. I retorted “I want that work you think I’d have to be coerced into doing”

    Manual labor is undervalued, making it “one of the jobs that people have to be coerced into doing”. By stating my desire to do it above “high value, mental labor”, I undercut their assertion that there are jobs that require coercion to get performed. There are people who want to clean, cook, do manual labor, do administrative work, accounting, cleaning up shit, building, basically everything a society needs to exist. Coercion need not apply.