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  • But why don’t they just ask the mother whether she took any medication or drugs she shouldn’t have? Given what happened in the article, the information provided by the mother would probably be more accurate anyway. Routinely not believing women is on brand, though. Again, we’re talking about women with absolutely no history of drug abuse. I’d seriously like to know how many women with no prior history of drug abuse start doing drugs just as they are getting pregnant to warrant routine testing.

    Another problem with these kinds of tests is that they are not accurate enough. If you test urine samples routinely, the majority of your tests will be false positives. (Example: you test all pregnant women, 1% take drugs, the test is accurate 98% of the time. Congratulations, 2/3 of your tests are false positives.) That’s why you only do those tests if you have a suspicion based on other data and not just test everyone.



  • Hospitals have no business testing for drugs without cause, which they do in the US per the article: “Hospitals across the country routinely drug test people coming in to give birth.” Screening people routinely for drugs is some police state shit.

    You’re right, it doesn’t say that she didn’t consent. It also doesn’t say she did either, the article simply doesn’t address it.

    However, I just cannot imagine a scenario, where someone would be consenting to a drug test without coercion, can you? Why would she? If you didn’t take drugs, there’s no benefit. If you did take drugs and you want the doctors to know, tell them. If you took drugs and you don’t want the doctors to know, you don’t consent. And that doesn’t even take into account false positives. I don’t see any conceivable reason why anyone would subject themselves to a drug test where no possible outcome would be positive for you. So, please enlighten me, how are these completely voluntary drug tests with zero benefit to the test subject so common?

    Add to that, that these tests are not good enough for random testing. You have too many false positives, so you must have additional indicators of drug use to even consider them from a purely scientific perspective.


  • OP might like to shit talk the US and try to find topics specifically to do so. But they are not wrong here.

    You ought to understand liberal democracies don’t just routinely drug test their population without consent or at least clear indication of a crime and following a court order. There was a time where the US at least aspired to be in the liberal democracies club. That you guys defend this practice even on a left-leaning platform such as lemmy is seriously frightening.













  • No, it’s not. The hurdles to ban a political party in Germany are extremely high. Only three institutions can request that the Bundesverfassungsgericht (similar: supreme court) rules on a party’s compatibility with the liberal-democratic basic order. The government, the Bundestag (cf. House of Representatives), or the Bundesrat (cf. Senate). There’s no majority for such a process in either of these chambers or the Government. One of the main reasons is the fear that the court will not rule to ban the AfD and that the court proceedings would just damage the democratic parties and the constitutional order.

    I can’t say I blame them. That this process to ban the AfD would be successful is not very likely. The decision would have to be made by the court with a 2/3 majority and several points need to be proven:

    They have to be unconstitutional: “Parties which, by their objectives or the behavior of their supporters, aim to impair or eliminate the free democratic basic order or to endanger the existence of the Federal Republic of Germany are unconstitutional.”

    However, simply being unconstitutional is not enough: “Rather, there must be an actively combative, aggressive attitude toward the existing order. This attitude must systematically undermine its functioning and, in the process, seek to eliminate it itself.” (From the proceedings of the ban of the communist party)

    In addition, the party must intend to impair or eliminate the free democratic basic order. Elimination means “the abolition of at least one of the essential elements of the free democratic basic order or its replacement by another constitutional order or another system of government”.

    Furthermore, they also need to have the means to be able to reach that goal.

    Because of these high hurdles, only two such bans were successful in the Federal Republic of Germany. In the 50s, a Nazi Party and the Communist Party were banned. No party was sussessfully banned since then.