I just wanted to confirm from our meeting just now, did you want me to (some crazy shit that could cause problems)?
I used to periodically imagine that it would be funny when talking with one of these people to just out of nowhere tackle them and take their wallet
I never did it and I don’t think I would even if the situation somehow presented itself, but I do think it would be wonderful if someone would. Like bro… you just said that this was okay. How can you possibly be upset about this outcome.
Isn’t this what GPT has been doing (with a somewhat limited level of success) for quite a while?
I feel like scitechdaily.com is mostly an exercise in repackaging very surface-level stories to harvest clicks, not really all that deep or informative. Just MO on it. I looked at the story, and it’s a little more sophisticated than what GPT has already been doing for a while, so maybe that’s unfair, but it still seems like a weirdly notable omission to make it sound more breakthrough-y than it is.
I don’t know why this is so predictive as a general rule, but it seems like most militaries that make it their business to kill women and children and generally attack the innocent, are absolute dogshit when it comes to engaging with even moderately capable armed opponents.
That the I”D”F is this totally fucking useless and disorganized when faced with the task which is supposedly its mission kinda throws it into sharp relief what is its actual mission
You better tell the fuckin corporate media that then, because they’re definitely not holding up their end of the bargain
I would be surprised if more than 5% of even people who pay attention to the media know about the climate bill or about Biden’s impact on the economy. Who do you think is responsible for that? The nation’s dogcatchers?
“Democrat” as an adjective is notable, as is viewing the New York Times as a “Democrat mainstay”
Before the 2016 election, yeah mostly. Definitely in comparison to most US media. But as mostly a Democrat looking at the NYT’s coverage in the modern era, I am mostly horrified by it
And you know what? It’s working. Because the media is a big bag of chucklefucks who will all be looking around like “we’re all looking for the guy that did this” when Project 2025 comes for them.
Oh, I think you know the reason why they are suddenly deeply concerned that they might not be reliable
Randomly bringing mod trigger words like “blog post” into it is also a notable activity
Sssshhhhh you’re fuckin up the narrative
We’ve pivoted from “the debate was a CATASTROPHE look at these polls falling” to “how can you say Biden is still viable when he’s 2 points behind right after something majorly depressive to his numbers happened and there are only 4 months more to go”
It’s actually pretty impressive how seamless it went from caring deeply how much his poll numbers have dropped to caring deeply how they’re sitting at practically exactly the same level they were, which is slightly behind
Wait so the ability to bring in more money per week doesn’t help people to accumulate more wealth in the bank over time?
Dude I had it so wrong, you got teach me more
Now imagine that all the workers got a 20% raise. All the landlords read the same news as everyone else and raise their rents by 30%.
Yeah, I get what you’re saying here. I think I’m starting to understand. Let’s plug in the actual numbers. So let’s see, cumulative inflation since 2019 is 20% which is really fucking high, like historic, which makes sense because they were digging out from Covid. So yeah that’s gonna hurt a lot. Let’s see now, cumulative wage growth at the 10th percentile is 32%, unadjusted, so… fuck me, yeah, they’re gonna be behind by negative 12%. That’s behind AND negative, it’s like a double whammy. That’s super fuckin rough yeah.
(Edit: inb4, He’s either going to pretend not to understand that the 32% at the 10th percentile is a real number that actually happened, or more likely he’s going to pretend that “inflation” doesn’t include food and housing by misleadingly presenting certain metrics that exclude those factors and pretending that if they were included, the number would be different, even though it wouldn’t)
stop here and have no further plans
So this is actually a really good point. Having accomplished these aforementioned economic results after coming in literally mid COVID apocalypse with a big fraction still depending on Covid assistance to live and massive unemployment, Biden’s economic platform for his next term is literally just these 7 words and then 200 blank pages. I’m surprised people don’t talk about it more often because it definitely seems like he should have done something different.
You need to tell Media Bias Fact Check that stuff; they have it way wrong then. They’re treating them like some kind of news source, and even analyze the accuracy in hindsight of their polling and everything.
Yeah, I think you’re gonna have to teach me all this stuff from square 1 again. I thought that increasing wages for working people was a good thing, and the guy who wants to be king and kill his political opponents and has an organized plan for how to make it all happen was the giant threat to democracy, and Clarence Thomas was being funded by people who didn’t like Biden, but it sounds like I’ve got it all tremendously mixed up somehow.
Also, you didn’t answer my question, even though I answered yours. You just pretended that my answer was “no I don’t understand wealth inequality, can you please explain it to me in the style of a half-drunk sophomore business major whose dad paid for his college and car, proving why Ron DeSantis is a genius to someone he is convinced he is smarter than”
(You do not need to answer; I am asking these things rhetorically but I think the productive part of this conversation has run its course and then some.)
I don’t think the debate was going to change any of those people’s minds though
I have to say, I agree with you with some level of surprise about the lack of promised collapse in support for Biden even after a pretty gruesome fuck-up of a debate.
Do you know the difference between the types of candidates the media likes, and the types that are good for the American people? What kind of correlation do you think exists there?
(I do know the difference between wealth and income, and I’m even happy to explain some other time why wealth inequality is still going up even in the face of these gains for working people. It’s still weird to me that wages for working people are a metric you are so hostile to, apparently.)
Fascinating. So you’re aware that working class wages are rising, and income inequality falling, in dramatic fashion, but you would rather look at other metrics instead?
I want to ask why, but as I said, I don’t currently have the energy for a spirited back and forth. I’m just interested to learn that you are in the very small minority that know that that even happened, but it’s not important to you and you’re still here asserting that Biden did what the billionaires wanted him to… by taking 2 trillion dollars away from, well, millionaires and billionaires, not exclusively billionaires, to spend on climate change and the working class.
It’s just weird that you still are so vocal against him, and in a carefully constructed manner that allows for the admission that that happened while still saying it doesn’t count.
It’s just a weird combination of having the knowledge and still reaching the wrong conclusion with it.
Two different groups can be fucking things up in depressingly familiar fashion at once
I am pleased to see all the downvotes, and have not the energy for any extensive debunking, but Biden raised corporate taxes in fairly massive fashion, and oversaw the first reduction in income inequality and growth in wages (beating even historic inflation) for the working class in quite some time.
Why don’t you know that? Along with 98% or so of the American electorate?
Why are the media companies which are largely operated by the wealthy, who see all of that as an extremely bad thing, trying so hard now to bend things around to say he’s trash and we need someone else instead?
Are these two things related?
(As Hunter Thompson said, to ask the question is to answer the question.)
Because they are spineless cowards and various GOP operatives who have been doing this shit since Clinton and have become absolutely fuckin experts at it, came up to them in the locker room
“Hey so I pretty much everyone thinks Biden is a loser now,” they said.
“Really?” Said the media.
“Oh my God, do you even have to ask that?” asked the GOP derisively. “Did you see him at the debate?”
“I guess he did look pretty old…” said the media, thinking silently about when Trump said a wave of immigrants was coming in and killing our citizens at a level we’ve never seen.
“Media, he looked like a fucking ZOMBIE. He looked like an old, old man who didn’t know what year it was. I hope they find someone new after this. They’re pretty much going to have to. There’s no way they’re going to stick with that guy. He looks like someone’s great grandfather. He’s finished,” said the GOP forcefully. And then, after a carefully timed pause, they turned. “Wait, you don’t think he did GOOD, do you?”
And so on
And then the GOP operative got paid almost two hundred thousand dollars a year, and the media went out and wrote the story it was goddamned well supposed to write.
This is 100% accurate – in the previous posting, I actually had a whole little spiel about it. Yes. Things are still fucked. If anyone is reading this thinking the intent is “oh good we can relax” then that is absolutely not the intent. The purpose is:
@jordanlund@lemmy.world Hi. I didn’t editorialize the headline – Mbin fills in the headline based on the HTML title. Open up the link, mouse over the tab, and you’ll see the same title I had posted. I just didn’t edit it after MBin filled it in, which maybe I should have. Anyway, here it is, reposted with the current headline. If I had to guess, I would say the site changed the headline in the article without also changing the HTML title tag.
It would have been nice to get a heads up, so I could just edit the title and preserve the conversation, but all good in any case. If you want me to do that instead, just let me know and that sounds fine (by which I mean, substantially better) to me as well.
No. I am objective. You are committed to a narrative so thoroughly that you’re trying to make me look like the out of step one.
I’m extremely concerned about Biden’s performance in the debate, and his chances in November.
I’m also extremely annoyed by the news’s wall to wall coverage which suggests that Biden’s performance in the debate was an emergency. That, to me, is a much bigger, much longer-lasting, much more sinister and dangerous thing for our democracy than is the fact that Biden is old as fuck and did horribly in the debate. If you are hand-wringingly concerned that Biden did a bad job, you should be apoplectic that the media is as bad as it is, and trying as hard as it is to hand the election to Trump. They’re doing infinitely more damage to Biden’s chances than Biden himself ever could. He could have literally puked on somebody and passed out like George Bush, and it wouldn’t have been as big a deal as what the media does every day.
The news – and, presumably, you, although I don’t feel like looking back in your history to check – freaked the absolute fuck out about how Biden was doomed because of the debate, and started writing all kinds of articles with it as a foregone conclusion that he’s fucked and we need to find a replacement. The electorate barely cared. He was like 0-2 points behind going into the debate. He was like 2-4 points behind after the debate. Is that a big deal? I mean… yeah, it’s relevant. It’s definitely not good. But to me it is shockingly small.
The media pivoted absolutely effortlessly from “OH MY GAWD Biden is tanking in the polls and it’s a FUCKIN CATASTROPHE” to “OH MY GAWD Biden is 2 points behind in the polls like he’s always been and it’s a FUCKIN CATASTROPHE”, without even having enough shame to acknowledge that there was any discrepancy. And you know what? It fuckin worked. Most of the American people were too stupid to even notice the bait-and-switch. Including, apparently, quite a lot of people right here in this thread.
I won’t say Biden’s not in trouble, and with him, the whole country. But the exact people who are so running-in-circles-wailing-in-panic concerned about how he fucked it all up, are doing their level best to create the fuckup and accelerate it as much as possible. I talked in the other thread about how unhappy I am, also, with our chances in November given Biden’s performance in the debate.
Before I continue, how do you feel about agreeing to abandon any effort to pretend I said something different than that last sentence I said above, and talk about the polls without pretending I’m trying to put my head in the sand about the danger we’re in because of the debate and the Democrats’ prospects and options in the election?