“Are we the baddies?”

Well, not handing it, but losing it, yeah…

Don’t give From ideas lol

It won’t be in the form of a revolt, it will be in the form of the military doing its duty. If the states democratically agree on new leadership, the military have a duty to the constitution to ensure a peaceful transition of power. If some portion of the military, in the face of Trump losing a democratic election, choose to align with him and maintain his power, THOSE are the ones who are revolting.

And if instead, he later said “I didn’t want to do these bad things, but I had to play the part, because if I left someone worse would replace me!” then the comments would also say he’s part of the problem.

His choices are lose/lose, we made sure of that.

The strat is, always has been, and will continue to be:

• Step 1: accuse the enemy of doing the thing
• Step 2: do the thing

I have a MAGA family member who, when confronted with the possibility that detainees in El Salvador were already being mass culled, their response was that the democrats already did that with the covid vaccine.

Their base can’t be upset about anything Trump does, because they’ve been convinced that it has all already been happening in secret by the deep state for years. That is the strategy. They will live in an alternate reality up to the point that it directly affects their livelihood.

When are they just gonna say it? Can we just have the big Hydra reveal moment already instead of this long drawn out denial?

Lol I want someone to rewrite the Captain America script, but with 3 extra hours of Hydra doing all the things Hydra does, while simultaneously saying “but nooo we’re not Hydra” and their dunce supporters going “yeah, you can’t just call anyone you disagree with ‘Hydra’, that’s fucked up!” And the Avengers just facepalm and try to decide if the US is worth saving.

To be clear, the question isn’t how we do it without violence at all, it’s how do we do it without the left instigating violence. If 70% of the country is against him, we don’t need to do anything but protest (ideally as a general strike). The states have the ability to grind his aspirations to a halt by just doing nothing.

HE might try violence to hold onto power (as he already is), but I personally don’t think the military will help him hold onto power if the states are saying they don’t want him.

His sycophants might try violence (as they already have), and in both cases, no one should feel bad about defending themselves from criminals of all types.

If our democracy is worth anything, and if our justice system is worth anything, it needs to be used to solve this problem. If you instead believe we should toss the Constitution out, dissolve the US, fight it out in the streets, create hundreds of power vacuums, and spend the next 20 years figuring everything out from scratch, during one of the most tumultuous times in human history, as other world powers and oligarchs continue to scrap for as much power as they can, then I respect that. But IMHO, this needs to be settled in a way that ends with a Nuremberg Trials v2.0, and a peaceful transfer of power to a president that restores respect to the office.

How are you defining “live service single player” game? This is a narrative adventure game. I will be surprised if you ever actually interact with another player directly at all. The dev has said that it supports completely offline play.

Edit: the devs have also specifically said you won’t interact with other players in real time. It’s about as “multiplayer” as the bloodstains in dark souls, but if they had a bigger effect on your narrative.

I mean, for one I would argue that there’s already a lot of blood on Trump’s hands, and will be more if their budget plan passes, so the original quote is already moot IMO.

But as far as placing blame on the left, I think any sufficiently motivated population will outright reject the version of America that the right wants to build, and part of that build creates that motivation. The vast majority of Americans don’t want to be told what religion to follow, what books they can read in school, what words they’re allowed to say; regardless of politics, rebellion is part of American culture. I mean to say, I don’t think the “left” will be instigating anything, it will be the people generally demanding change out of necessity. If trump holds all the levers, then it’s just a matter of time before most people expect him to use them effectively. The more he “peacefully” extracts wealth to his oligarchs, and rolls out military rule, the deeper he’s digging his own…hole.

I don’t believe we reach a future of “hypernormalization” like in Russia. Our American myths are too filled with rebels for us to accept that.

But we’ve now seen both Nepal and Madagascar protest the govt completely out of office, in both cases supported by their own military, with minimal casualties. Of course in each case you now need to solve the power vacuum problem, which could go many different ways, especially if other world powers start getting involved, which is an exponentially harder challenge for the US.

I agree with the first statement, the rest feels to me like an arbitrary list of nice things that I don’t believe is backed by empirical data, so I can’t agree that “Anything short of this will just lead right back into fascism as history has shown”. The “$50 million” number is arbitrary. And workers tend to not have capital to start/run a company, nor do they want to assume the risk associated with it failing. Is there a specific historical example of all those things being successfully guaranteed in some society that you’re thinking of? How is it going for them now?

I would like to know what your idea is to get out of fascism without any kind of violence

To stick with my original analogy, the same way I “get out of” food poisoning without puking my guts out for a time: I don’t eat it.

To relate it back to your first statement which I agree with, “We need a society in which people are not able to obtain the kind of power that can allow for fascism”. How do we do this? Democratically! We need a society of people who detest the signs of fascism:

• appeals to palingenetic nationalism
• the enemy is “strong and weak”
• “fake news”
• zero-sum social hierarchies
• fear mongering
• money as speech
• basically any attempt to combat economic hardships using any means besides addressing weath inequality
• etc.

Personally, I think we need to agree on a charter of some kind that has a feedback loop built in: as wealth inequality is relatively low, allow more capitalism, more risk, more innovation; and as wealth inequality rises, so too do corporate tax rates, guarantees on worker compensation, all the bells and whistles. If you’re a corporation who doesn’t like the tax rate, tough, we’ve all agreed that until the state of the society gets better, your ability to capitalize on it is handicapped.

“But why not always socialism, workers own all the things all the time?” The world is a big complicated factory of interconnected systems. We can’t hope to control it all even if we had a One World Govt running everything, much less hundreds of independent nations and cultures. At best we would create unintended emergent phenomena like black markets. I don’t think we should aim to control everything, we just ensure society sets up the right incentives, and the one thing that should underscore every incentive should be human dignity.

Homelessness should be illegal, in that we as a society should not be allowed to let people be homeless. It should be a crime against humanity for any society to allow one person to take billions more in tax breaks each year, while another person dies in the streets. Same for starvation or lack of healthcare. I would even go as far as to say, giving someone a job that is too mind numbing should be a crime. It’s one thing for you to work for the weekend, it’s another thing for it to be psychologically demeaning in its mundanity, which seems to be the ideal end game for many jobs: optimize out any way for the employee to mess anything up with the way that they are.

The part I don’t like to admit though is (without going down a second rabbit hole), I think the best way to achieve this cultural shift is through religion. We need a religion that emphasizes human dignity above all else. No other mechanism has proven as successful at shaping the behaviour of large groups of people.

It’s not a popular take in doomer circles like lemmy, but I legitimately believe that there is a “bloodless” outcome that results in the right absolutely crumbling. Not only that, I believe anything less will inevitably result in this exact situation repeating itself every hundred years or so until we learn as a people how to build a sustainable, equitable society that prioritizes human dignity over greed.

We need to learn as a society how to identify and reject fascist ideologies the same way we can look at moldy food and know not to eat it. And I think the Internet may be the tool that gets us to that point.

Until we get to that point, all democracies will continue to fall victim to these types of attacks.

These comments are severely overestimating the level of autonomy players are given in this game. It’s just a branching story, where the branches one player is presented with are dependent on the branch another player chose. I imagine if only a single person plays this game, it will just make stuff up to make it seem like there are other players affecting the world.

Also, also the cynicism on Lemmy is a stale meta at this point. Be the change you wanna see or stfu.

First off, Trump is one thing, but MAGA is losing ground. Source. As soon as trump entered office, the MAGA movement stalled and has started trending back down. This is because he’s been given the every lever, and as expected, he’s botching it.

Second, you’re interpreting what I’m saying in the way you want to hear it. Absolutely go protest, get naked and stand in front of a tank, douse yourself in oil and set yourself aflame on the whitehouse lawn, sound the alarm so that everyone hears through all the noise. And like always: defend yourself and those around you from criminals using whatever means you have.

But we are at the ideal time to appeal to MAGA. Look at all the Republicans breaking from him over the shutdown. MAGA is to the right what Occupy WallSt was to the youth before the rich steered it back to a left/right old/young thing. There are systemic problems, and people are seeing that targeting the “woke” isn’t going to solve it. They are soon going to be forced to demand working solutions. He can only blame Biden for so long.

Of course, nothing i say will convince some people. There are a class of horny idiots who desperately need to act on their frail emotions, give trump what he wants, and go out in the streets with MAGA to aggressively suck each other off. You are free to be in that group if you want, but know that you’re not helping anyone but yourself and the fascist movement. (Of course you and I both know that the only fingers you’re lifting are from your keyboard to downvote someone you disagree with 🤣).

I’ve been waiting for this moment for years. I knew that when Oregonians got serious about protesting trump, it would be a bunch of geared up military vs a bunch of naked unicyclers. And you just can’t sell that as threatening.

I’m not trying to be mean, but I do think you need to hear this: touch grass. This is a big deal to Americans, but it’s pretty much politics as usual for like 70% of the world. Recognize that the fact that we get to think it’s a big deal is part of our entitlement.

I get it, trump is testing limits, he’s got ICE rounding people up, he’s trying to deploy the military into states, he’s painting innocents as terrorists. And I’m telling you, it’s not popular. He doesn’t have the support to pull this off, he’s doing what he’s doing not because he’s strong but because he’s weak, desperate, and he knows it.

Right now, he desperately wants this to devolve into violence, because like any demagogue, he can’t be a functional politician, he can only fight invisible enemies. He’s trying to provoke a war in time for midterms. Don’t give him what he wants. Stand united in peace with the vast majority of people who don’t want this to continue.

The fact that we’re able to have this conversation means we still have the power that matters most. And the fact that they hold all political offices means they get blamed for any unrest. It’s why every incumbent in every election in the world in 2024 lost support, and it’s why trump is so afraid of the midterms.

Meanwhile, Bernie and AOC are holding successful rallies in southern states, and local candidates like Graham Platner are gaining traction. The right has spent decades shifting blame away from the rich, and it seems people are finally getting wise to it. It sucks that they had to see how bad it could get with their own eyes before figuring it out, but that’s just how humanity works, it seems.

As long as you accept that you are playing into their strategy to instigate a civil war which they’ve been working toward years, if not decades, sure.

Alternatively, we could opt to listen to experts on fascism, recognize the systemic issues that give rise to it (like economic instability and wealth inequality), make a concerted effort to address those concerns, win over the working class which the left has neglected for the last 60 years, and bring the temperature down for centrists thereby cutting off the primary weapon of fascism…

But we’ll probably do it the dumb way.

Edit: for the record, I’m fully convinced there are psyops going on here on Lemmy, and the people like you trying to push us further toward violence and civil unrest are either them, or useful idiots helping them.

For the record, fascists will always project that they are afraid for their safety. Playing the victim is how they gain power. When one of them is targeted, it doesn’t create fear to dissuade the rest, it empowers them to play it up for support.

The mag 7 is 1/3 of the S&P500, but that doesn’t mean the loss will be limited to 1/3. A those other companies are also dependent on AI and the success of those 7.