• owenfromcanada@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Damn, if only there were more than just the two options. I mean, we stop funding genocide and then Hamas immediately wins, that’s the only possible way it could go, right?

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      6 months ago

      Iran and Qatar, who funds Hamas, would, without US Support of Israel, almost certainly carry out their “jihad” (a genocide of its own).

      We have to get Israel to stop killing Palestinians, and also get the Arab world to stop killing Jews.

      A sad fact is that the money given to Israel saves more lives than it steals.

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        Are you just dense? The idea isn’t “no funding for Israel” the idea is “no funding for Israel until they start following international law and stop indiscriminately killing.”

        Hamas is awful and should be destroyed but two wrongs don’t make a right and Israel is going much too far. Israel isn’t attacking Hamas at this point. They are doing to the Gazans what Hamas did to Israel, but a hundred fold worse. They are acting like either a terrorist organization or a genocidal regime.

        I’m all for Israel defending itself. I am mostly okay with funding Israel to defend itself and stand up for itself. I am absolutely not for funding genocide and wars of retribution. At this point Israel needs to be brought to heel and, when safe, needs to be held accountable for its crimes and it’s long term policies of apartheid.

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          6 months ago

          Where did I say I was against Israel following international law and stopping the indiscriminate killing?

          Hint: I didn’t.

          Do you want to retry having a good faith discussion with me?

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            6 months ago

            Where did I accuse you of being in favor of indiscriminate killing?

            Hint: I didn’t.

            Do you want to try engaging with my argument that we shouldn’t continue funding for Israel until they stop the genocide and follow international law?

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              6 months ago

              I am sorry but you don’t get to misrepresent me and then demand I respond to your comments based off those misrepresentations.

              I am blocking this account of yours for bad faith, but I fully welcome you to try again with one of your alts.

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                6 months ago

                I’m pre-emptively blocking you since you have been arguing for genocide all over this thread, and then strawmanning anyone that calls you on it.

                You’re in bad need of some actual life experience. I’ve yet to see you have a sane take on anything.

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                  6 months ago

                  You can’t point to one single pro genocide comment I have made, and you know it.

                  You are censoring anti-Hamas people. Let’s not lie and sugarcoat.

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        6 months ago

        “we gotta genocide them before they can genocide us.”

        Yeah dude, pre-emptive genocide. Does Israel have pre-cogs in sensory deprivation tanks or some shit?

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          I never said that, nor implied that. Did you mistakenly respond to me, or are you just being a liar?

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            Nope, definitely replied to the right comment.

            By the way, does this ever work? It’s very clear what I was doing, and the fact that you can’t defend the position when it is worded bluntly says a lot.

            Genocide apologia… Fucking disgusting.

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              Why would I defend a position that you have invented for me? I’m sorry, but that’s incredibly stupid.

              If you have to pretend other people support genocide to feel like you won an argument, that says something about you.