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I’m not down with the perpetual victim-blaming against X/Twitter users here on Lemmy.
Sources like campaigns, news outlets, authors, studios, engineers, actors, comedians, etc. post on there because they basically have to – if they want to get the word out, that is.
Consumers go there to read from the sources because they basically have to. While each source may have their own separate blog or whatever, X/Twitter is pretty much the only place that unifies those feeds. (I know, I miss the heyday of RSS too.)
Expecting people to just “take the hit” and go dark on their communications so we can build up alternatives to X/Twitter is not an acceptable recommendation.
What we need to do is:
- Make it illegal to block third-party clients from interoperating with services
- Compel providers of a certain size to expose a first-party API
- Make it legal to reverse-engineer APIs so they can’t just make the first-party API suck and call it a day
- Then we integrate X/Twitter into the fediverse, so you can start using something else and still keep your X/Twitter stuff
I have literally never logged into Twitter.
Twitter isn’t a service. It is a useful platform and should not be ignored, but it is a larger, worldwide version of r/conservative at this point. Go in expecting hostility and “untraceable account bugs that tHeY juST cANt seEm tO ResOLve!”.
Victim blaming is a little extreme way to describe it, but yeah I don’t blame politicians for using it, but I absolutely will blame them for exclusively using it and letting their media be controlled by a private entity, especially one that is no longer publicly accessible.
POSSE (publish [on your] own site, syndicate everywhere) is the way to go. Don’t assume everyone is just using a platform, especially if you’re providing a public or essential service.
re your points, I think the EU’s gatekeeper law was pretty good.
POYOSSE
By the way, not calling you out specifically. Just seems to be a common theme in the comments, and a regularly-occurring sentiment.
What we need to do is: Make it illegal to run a business
Twitter doesn’t owe anyone anything. Kamala could go post anywhere else but she’s not even though the left hates Elon.
The idea that we should pass laws to force twitter to show certain info and expose endpoints to support third party apps is ridiculous. It’s their data and they aren’t putting a gun to anyone’s head.
Passing a law forcing the government to use only FLOSS software for day-to-day activities solves this problem, actually makes sense on a principle level and isn’t a ridiculous overreach of power.
Well, I gotta ask then… How do you feel about HP’s printer business model? The fact that you can only use it with HP-approved ink, in HP-approved ways. Do you think that’s a fair business model which will stand or fall on its own merits, or an abusive one that prevents consumers from using their own stuff the way they want to? Should it be legal?
I don’t like it and wouldn’t buy an HP as my next printer for software reasons alone. I’d suggest supporting another company or getting a used HP for free or next to nothing and buying refilled cartridges from aliexpress or amazon for 30-40% of what HP charges (this is what I do). It’s a shitty practice but it doesn’t make me want to get daddy government involved.
“Right to Repair” is different. If I buy a printer and the ink chassis breaks and I’m capable of sourcing a part and fixing it myself then I have a right to do that on my own because it’s mine.
Edit: As an aside if we explanded my initial proposal to encompass FLOSS hardware as well as software this wouldn’t be a problem because companies would be tripping over themselves for the government contracts.
FLOSS software
Lol
‘Lol’ Three simple characters. “FLOSS software? Ridiculous. So DUMB.” He says to himself. Finally a single tap and his snarky comment begins it’s instantaneous travail through countless GPL licensed unix systems to reach his victim - an ignorant commenter on an open-source, federated lemmy instance.
lol
Good. They should abandon twitter and all other racist, misogynist, transphobic, xenophobic, homophobic bigoted platforms. I hope they have a bad time there.
I tend to feel the same but at the same time, the shadowy figures involved there would love it to see the ratio of extremist increase. An exodus of more sane members might play straight into their hands.
That said, I can’t understand why anyone without an official state role is still on that platform.
Political parties should host their own mastodon instances, and give their members accounts. Companies should do the same. It removes all the problems of imitation because the organisation stands as guarantor that the account is the official one.
I’m not sure on the capabilities of Mastodon. But companies will never go for this if Mastodon doesn’t support saml or active directory (or other Auth systems). It needs to integrate with their enterprise tools.
There are several mastodon servers that have different feature sets. What you’re saying is like “email must support AD”. Well some email server might do that and another wouldn’t.
But companies will never go for this if Mastodon doesn’t support saml or active directory (or other Auth systems). It needs to integrate with their enterprise tools.
I think you are confusing server-server protocol and client-server protocol.
I’m not sure how that applies here.
I am talking about enterprises being able to leverage their current infrastructure to manage their users in Mastodon from a central location, Like AD. Rather than have to manage local accounts.
I am not talking about activitypub in anyway.
I’m talking about that too. Mastodon should work just fine with SSO.
That’s actually a pretty good idea
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Over all I upvote posts if its something I would like to know about.
In this case its good to know that there was some limit issue that (as on the page say) is already resolved.
If it was intentionally done or not we will never know, but its good to know if it would happen again that there is some limit.
I upvote because:
- even if it was some wrongly implemented limit in this case, the shadow banning/hidding posts (or like in this case blocking follow) will happen in the future on all large platforms, it’s human nature to abuse it if you can get away with it
- I dont like big central platforms, I rather would like to have a transparent/open platform but I know it will never happen as servers costs money and people like “free” and convenient stuff so platforma will keep monetizing people activity
- if it could be even slightly true I rather have as many (affected) people know about it that there was an issue with follow and now it is resolved so they can retry to follow
Yeah, turns out it was an automated response to the account getting too many follows in a short time. There’s enough genuinely bad things about the platform that we don’t need to get mad at some speculation.
Weird right? You’d think they might check. Then they would be able to write something like this.
An initial search for KamalaHQ on The New Republic’s X account also found that the campaign account is limited. The campaign account showed up in repeated subsequent searches, seeming to suggest the issue is being resolved.
Imagine trying winning chess when the board itself plays against you. Twitter/X must be dropped immediately, it’s a censorship-propaganda machine which is now only works for those who control it.
Wasn’t that the case when progressives controlled it? Either way, fk X and all other social media services.
Jack Dorsey was a progressive?
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey: I ‘fully admit’ our bias is ‘more left-leaning’
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey said on Saturday that he “fully admit[s]” Twitter employees share a largely left-leaning bias after facing accusations that conservatives are discriminated against on the social media platform.
In an interview that aired Saturday on CNN, Dorsey said his company has a responsibility to be open about its political viewpoints, but to operate without bias when applying content policies to users.
”We need to constantly show that we are not adding our own bias, which I fully admit is … is more left-leaning,” Dorsey says.
Ah.
So you’re a “Libs of TikTok” guy. Conservatives call themselves Liberal and you believe them.
Jack Dorsey is Libertarian, which is Republican-leaning.
lol… Libertarians are classical liberals. They don’t align to a specific side.
Libertarians nominated a degenerate Democrat.
And why the FK are we talking about Jack anyway? I said Twitter was controlled by progressives… as in the majority of the org were leftists operating biasedly against their opposition.
Defending the Libs of TikTok isn’t the flex you think it is.
I’m only responding in the hopes you recognize this eventually and grow a bit of self-reflection over this situation. Good luck man.
I support anyone and everyone that exposes any and all facets of evil. So should you and any other sane human being.
Anything left of “pretend minorities don’t exist” is progressive to certain people.
Dunno, but echoes of it were sounding like Tumblr 2.0
Who would have guessed that a social media platform owned by an apartheid-loving fascist would trend conservative?
Hm I deleted my twitter account last year. Maybe I’ll make a new one just to follow her
If only the federal government could implement some sort of server that would allow them to self-host social media for officials and prominent candidates. I wish there were some well-known and tested service that other governments were using and they could just implement in the USA.
If they build it, will anyone come? Or does private social media only work because the user base is already scrolling endlessly there?
Newsies will go there for the announcements. That’s the wedge that keeps growing.
Not all growth strategies are just having the bandwagon.
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if they build it, the press will go there and report on what’s posted there
Yeah wouldn’t be bad. Could be an official source to cite.
@XeroxCool welcome to fediverse. I’m replying to you from mastodon.
I’m using motion controls!
I’m using the Power Glove!
It’s so bad.
Posted multiple times because replication was slow. Oops.
Also now I’m posting from lemm.ee
This kind of event is precisely what drives things like social media adoption. If Harris and the DNC organized an actual messaging campaign and took advantage of this energy to promote Twitter alternatives, a lot of people would join.
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I mean, it wouldn’t stop them from continuing to post to Xitter. They can do both!
Sounds impossible! Does this technology even exist???
I don’t think legally the Federal Government is allowed to do that. Maybe if the service is available to everyone. Now that option would be pretty cool. I’m fine with nationalized federated social media hosts.
are you allowed to post on whitehouse.gov?
Not for campaign related activity.
That sounds pretty shakey. Federal employees have their own email addresses, but you can’t just go ask for a .gov email address, you have to get a job with the government for one. The federal government has plenty of places that only some are allowed to post to. Now, if they were to say, only allow certain people to have accounts with no apperent rhyme or reason that would be grounds for a discrimination lawsuit, but they could simply say “any verified current or former federal elected official, federal department head, or state governor is allowed an account” and expand or shrink the scope as needed. The fediverse honestly makes that so much cleaner than something they host themselves with all of the nuances of what is and isn’t federated, the government could simply configure the federation to meet their legal and liability needs while users can stream in from any fediverse instance
If they’re using it for campaigning, I think it’d have to be written as “… or any party nominee” or “… or anyone running for elected office.”
But yeah, the fediverse would be perfect for it.
If only there was some
SovietUnion with their own mastodon
I’m surprised she even has one, given that Musk would shadow ban it anyway. Seems like wasted effort.
Yeah if I were depending on Twitter I would have been informing people of my plans to move for months now.
I hope she isn’t a Zionist also…
Rheeeeeeee
This reminds me that someone set up a donation link via actblue where donations via that link come with the message that she and her campaign should set up their own mastodon server.
They are up to $40,000 as I type this.
So if you were thinking of donating anyway, you can go through here to point that money to a “cause” you want her to consider. May not happen, but at least we might get it on their radar.
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/mastodon-for-harris
The originator of this started with this Masto post:
Nice, I did it through this portal. Thanks for sharing.
The VP having control over the platform they announce things?
What a novel idea /s
So dumb how much power twitter got for politics. Fediverse for life!
This has the opportunity to be a great battle.
Harris, backed by Mastodon users vs Trump, backed by Twitter bots.
Isn’t Truth Social essentially just out-of-the-box Mastodon?
Yeah he couldn’t come up with his own software so they just spun up a Mastodon instance and passed it off as their own product.
Share this on !fediverse, this is a very good idea
What are these fucking people doing on Twitter anyway? Why they hanging out with the Nazis? You’re still on Twitter this point I have some healthy suspicions about your character.
People go where they think the people are. X is still the closest thing to Twitter since Elon came along. I deleted my account, but feel like I’m in the minority.
You know I once read this really amazing book called They Thought They Were Free. It was written by a journalist right after World War II who went to Germany and talked to normal Germans just German citizens. About how they allowed Nazis to take over how they lived in a Nazi Society how they were okay with it how they kind of joined in on it. A lot of the things they said being said in this thread. It’s all the same fucking logic.
If they choose to support Twitter, they must expect to take the consequences. It’s a known cess pit. Being active on a centralised network does harm. You can’t grizzle after drawing innocent people in to such a bad place.
I’m on Twitter because all the OSINT people who track the invasion/war in Ukraine basically only use Twitter. I like following OSINT info to get a real perspective on what’s going on.
Maybe it would behoove you to remind those people that they’re on a website run by someone who has a material and vested interest in the destruction of Ukraine. That they should change to another website.
I’d like in on that perspective but I’m not going to twitter for anyone. Shit is toxic and stupid.
On Ukraine, got any non twitter suggestions for perspective? Also, not familiar with OSINT. Care to enlighten me? Open source intel tools?
Understandable, I don’t know of anyone off of Twitter but maybe some of the people I follow are on Mastodon. I’ll try and find out sometime and get back if they are.
And yea pretty much, just stands for open source intelligence, people just use publicly available data (mostly drone videos, and paid satellite imagery) to analyze progress from both parties in the conflict giving a real, semi live perspective on advances on the ground, what kind of equipment and quantity of that equipment that have been destroyed.
This site by oryx is the main one I know of that tracks destroyed Russian equipment that’s confirmed through imagery, so the numbers are likely fairly lower than reality, and the destruction numbers are still staggering.
Ops I see someone below already linked oryx and some other good sources!
On Ukraine, got any non twitter suggestions for perspective?
- Suchomimus does a good job covering OSINT in the Russo-Ukraine War; attacks, geolocation, battle damage assessment, etc.
- Oryx catalogues every pictured Russian loss. They are up to 3,200 tanks, 4,300 IFVs of Russian loses already. Every single one has a picture. Click on a few, scroll and scroll and scroll.
- Right here on Lemmy, the !ukraine@sopuli.xyz and !combatvideos@sh.itjust.works communities get quite a bit of Russo-Ukraine war coverage.
not familiar with OSINT
Exactly what you said! Open Source INTelegence. Basically people taking publicly available data and using it to confirm attacks. Things like NASA FIRMS data can be used to verify where fires are; and when combined with videos of a fire in the direction of an airfield, for example, can be used to confirm that yes, on this specific date, these parts of an airfield are on fire.
Unfortunately Twitter is the absolute best source for the most up to date breaking sports news and nothing that I’m aware of comes close.
Porn
If you can’t porn from Pornhub because of silly age verification laws. Twitter is the next best place, I guess?
They are on Twitter because nothing has displaced Twitter for what it is. That’s tricky because people follow the content, so the content generators, the heavy hitters, have to choose en masse to go somewhere else.
I think that’s what that Dulles brother said about why he kept doing business with the Nazis even into the 1940s. Even when the rest of the heads of his business said you should stop doing this we don’t need to be invested with the Nazis they just invaded Poland he said no money still there I want to hang out with Nazis.
Cuz here’s the thing if everyone who wasn’t one left that site it wouldn’t be a problem anymore, a different site would be used.
Not all parts of twitter is chock full of Nazis. The parts I follow probably won’t ever move over to Mastodon, so I’m stuck with Twitter. The good thing is that part barely has any Nazis.
Good job on brushing everyone on Twitter with the same broad stroke, though. Really shows how progressive you can be.
The good thing is that part barely has any Nazis.
What was that saying about letting a few nazis into your bar as long as they stay on the side and don’t cause trouble?
We don’t let them into our bar, that’s why the part has so few Nazis. The Nazis are running rampant in other parts of the site, but not on the part that I frequent, from my observation at least. That’s why it’s stupid to group everyone using Twitter as Nazi adjacent.
Maybe you’re just not identifying them as Nazis? What part do you hang out on where there aren’t insane propagandists and bots?
Does a Nazi infested group calls out whenever people is being racist or openly makes fun of Elon Musk?
I’m sure you can always just argue that they are being Nazis secretly or something, but to call out a group of people to be suspicious of being a Nazi, I would prefer if you have more proof than just conjecture.
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It’s a website that purposely and specifically endorses Nazis. Yes you are tainted by association.
And this is a site run by developers that purposely and specifically endorses Tankies, yet it’s still stupid to call everyone on this site a Tankie.
That’s what I think of anyone who hangs out with Nazis. Why you doing that? Why you hanging out with Nazis?
Because we don’t, we kick them out of the circle, that’s why there’s few of them amongst those I follow. The fact that you can’t comprehend such a simple concept is the problem.
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Do…you not know how to read? Now that explains things.
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No, I meant that amongst the community that I follow, there are few Nazis. At the end of the day, you cannot be sure that there are 0 Nazis in any community that you follow, that’s just unrealistic.
You’re just being pedantic and making so much mental gymnastics in order to call me a Nazi. That shows just how fucked up your mindset is. You’re pretty much trying to demonize a group of people using broken logic to justify your hate. Why are you trying to emulate the Nazi thought process?
And this is a site run by developers that purposely and specifically endorses Tankies, yet it’s still stupid to call everyone on this site a Tankie.
The software is partially written by Tankies, but most instances aren’t run by Tankies. Since it is free & open source software under the AGPLv3, anyone can freely use it. Lemmy also uses ActivityPub, an open standard, and is fully compatible with other Fediverse software like Kbin/Mbin and Piefed. Using lemmy.ml or other instances means that you’re associated with Tankies, but using Lemmy the FOSS software doesn’t. Since Twitter is proprietary, the only option is using twitter.com which is run by a Nazi and actively supports Nazis.
The main dev is a Tankie, so not just partially written. And you’re missing the point. Even on lemmy.ml there are plenty of non-Tankies. There are reasons for people to be there other than to support the Tankie devs. In the same vein, there are plenty of reason for people to be on Twitter other than to support the Nazis.
Being this pedantic in an effort to defend broad brushing groups of people together when they don’t have that much in common is, frankly, pathetic.
Yeah, I have a problem too! No, wait. It’s because I don’t have an X/Twitter/whatever account.
Because the butthurt south african shitstain wont let them. Crybaby cannot abide differing ideas
Yet another reason to ditch that platform.
I used to think “Elon Musk” was some type of fancy French perfume. I miss those days.
It still could be!
Viva la revolution?
