• Mia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Less than six hundred intersex people are known to have ever existed. Fertile intersex people can have at most one reproductive organ that can generate offspring. Truly bisexual living beings have been observed in the animal kingdom […]

    You… you didn’t seriously believe I was thinking of human hermaphrodites when talking about intersex people, did you…? -_-
    There are FAR more intersex people than 600. It is estimated than 1.5% to 2% of the world’s population is born intersex, to varying degrees.

    Now, about laws targeted at protecting marginalized communities:
    They mostly focus on businesses, forbidding them from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity and the like. That is it.
    There are penal consequences for citizens when it comes to hate speech, but those only apply when such remarks incite violence against individuals, or result in extremely negative outcomes, like suicide.
    No one’s gonna arrest you for calling someone a slur on the street. Jails would be full if that were the case.
    This is once again an overreaction to make it appear like people are out to get you.

    My native language is highly inflected - we have nouns that are either feminine or masculine. Here we have marginalized left-wing organizations promoting a made up grammar that is so convoluted that even those who promote it can not manage to get acquainted with it.

    Languages evolve.
    I am familiar with the perils of gendered languages, being a speaker of one myself. They can be adapted, it undoubtedly takes effort.
    Nobody in their right mind is arguing in favour of supporting every single made up pronoun. I myself am not a fan of neopronouns, some of them are pure madness in my opinion, but a simple they/them can be incorporated into a language. I’ve seen and heard languages being butchered in worse ways, and at least this one is useful. We can leave those who want to be referred to with “starself”, whatever that’s supposed to mean, to worry about explaining everything to everyone they know, to themselves. It would be utterly inpractical to appease everyone, but they/them is manageable.

    because they want spaces that look less heterosexual and less white

    You kinda gave yourself away if you have an issue with that. I agree that people should be hired on the base of expertise, not ethnicity or identity, but a more diverse environment is not just some whimsical idea “the woke mob” came up with. It fosters exchange of ideas, societal acceptance, and generally improves work environments for everyone who isn’t xenophobic, all things that are generally desirable in a well integrated society.

    The “woke mob”, " woke ideology " or whatever you want to call it doesn’t exist. It is an invention of right wing groups to categorise everything they don’t like with, which in most cases just boils down to being decent human beings and not spreading hate. There are zealots, there’s no denying it, but if you just log off of social media and actually get out, you’ll find that no one is after you, no one is implementing all those crazy ideas an extremely small but vocal minority comes up with. So go live your life and relax. The woke mob won’t get you, Italian will still be the same language as it is now, and you’ll still be able to cuss at anyone you don’t like. You’ll be fine.

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      I was wrong about the number of intersex people known to exist. There are less than six hundred known cases of people with ovotesticular syndrome, a condition that was also referred to as “true hermaphroditism”, where an individual is born with both ovarian and testicular tissue. As per strict definition of intersex, statistics are in the range of 0.02%–0.05% of the world population. A more lax definition wants this figure as high as 1.7%. This is an atypical condition that may or may not require medical attention. The existence of this condition does not undermine the fact that the sex of human beings is binary.

      I had seen languages butchered in bad ways and I am not a fan of it. Sometimes I make mistakes in writing and speech, but I try avoid it. Even when it comes to pronunciation, I strive for a neutral accent devoid of regional inflections. Personally I aspire to language purism, though I concede that this concept is vague because languages naturally evolve over time, they always have. Nevertheless, I do not want a government putting “neopronouns” in my mouth. At the moment this is not the case and you are inferring that things are going to be okay and there is nothing to worry about. Of course I want you to be right, though at the moment only speculations can be made. You may not be an advocate of such hard to manage grammar, but there are people out there who are.

      Regarding your suggestion about logging off of social media, if you mean Facebook, Instagram, X and the like, I am not a fan of them. I have never signed up to those platforms and never will. I have never had a Google account, not even for a brief time. I signed up to Lemmy and in the past I was also on reddit for a couple of years. I was also on IRC back when it was popular. For most of my life, I have been doing most of my online interactions via instant messaging technology with people I know in person.

      Diversity in the workplace the way we know it is a concept inherently discriminatory. If there are laws in place that prevent the exclusion of marginalized people, everybody should be free to compete in the job market regardless of their sex, ethnicity, religious belief or whatever. If we concede that these laws are enforced, diversity can naturally occur. Pushing diversity in spite of existing laws means that people should be hired based on some specific inherent traits that have nothing to do with expertise and fit for the purpose. It is like racism, sexism or other “-isms”, but in reverse. People who are not white, heterosexual and male are supposed to enjoy special attention based on their “diversity”. This is unjust. Are we supposed to abide by a non-heterosexual quota? And what about dwarves? Romani people? Inuit? What if people who identify as two-spirit penguins are underrepresented?

      The so called “woke ideology”, whatever name you want to call it, is very real, is an American concept and has started to creep to this side of the world. I speak about the situation of my country not because I am proud of my nation, but because you may give for granted something that may not reflect a worldwide view on a given subject. I prefer artists who are free to represent people with the skin of the color they want in their entertainment with no political agenda pushing them to do otherwise. I want comedians to be free to entertain with jokes involving all types of slurs and stereotypes, if they wish to do so. I am witnessing a chilling effect in entertainment with people walking on a thin line. I hope this is a fad that will crumble under the weight of its own lunacy. Until then, I will oppose every bit of it.

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        You keep making up extreme scenarios, none of which have materialized, even in North America, because again: most people are reasonable when it comes to that stuff.

        No matter how much right wing groups insist on it, it’s a made up reality meant to spread disdain. Queer visibility has increased in the last few years, but just like anything, it will plateau, much like left-handedness has plateaued after a while after people stopped being forced to be right-handed.

        The worst offender, and the only real/relevant example I can find when it comes to forced inclusivity, is Disney, and nearly everybody hates it because… well… it’s forced, including minorities. But they do it to avoid backlash from very few but vocal people on Twitter that have nothing better to do.That, and it generates media coverage, which is free publicity.

        I believe you’re just being paranoid, but you do you. I feel like trying to convince you otherwise would be a waste of time at this point.
        Good luck with your endeavours…