The issue isn’t whether Donald the Duck wants to be a dictator—it’s clear that he does. It’s also evident that his supporters are aware of this. The real question is why so many Americans feel so let down by their political system that they’re willing to tear it down completely.
Because they keep voting against their own interests? Because they’re gullible fools manipulated by outrage headlines? Because they aren’t able to understand the consequences of their votes?
I try to understand, I try to find common ground, but all I see is someone in a horror movie standing in an open grave wondering if they’re trapped but won’t stop digging.
If you really believe that such a large percentage of Americans vote to end democracy because they are idiots, then you don’t believe in democracy either.
And that is what will do more than anything to end it, to make neither side believe that it is the least bad of the systems.
Yep, both sides the same. Voting for universal healthcare and achieving it, is the same as voting against and having hundreds of thousands without. Voting to respect everyone’s reproductive rights is the same as trying to control other people’s choices. Voting to improve education is the same as starving education. And most of all not understanding people’s poor choices is exactly the same as treason and election fraud
You haven’t understood me. I’m not talking about specific policies and which ones are better; I’m talking about the very foundations of democracy. In a democracy, those in power are chosen by the majority. If you believe that the majority (or close to it) is idiotic, how can you believe that democracy is better than other systems? In your own response, you make it clear that you think your ideas are better and should be implemented regardless of whether they convince people or whether the majority wants them. How can you call yourself a democrat in those circumstances?
That’s a really big stretch, even before complaining about the electoral college, nor did I focus on my ideas but listening to the candidates, watching actual behaviors, accepting reality
But it’s much simpler than that. Do you believe that decisions made by the majority of citizens are legitimate and valid even if they go against your ideas, yes or no? If the answer is yes, it doesn’t matter if your ideas are to raise or lower taxes; it doesn’t matter if your ideas are for healthcare for all or none. You believe in democracy, and then we’ll decide which team you’re on and whether it’s ‘better’ or ‘worse’ ethically.
I’m not from the USA, but from the outside, it seems like there are a lot of people who don’t accept decisions unless they align with their ideas, no matter how much popular support they have. And those ideas can be great (and may align with mine), but imposing them is never a good idea.
Probably because they are feeling like the electoral system is not working for them at the moment. Sometimes you need to tear it down completely in order to build it up properly. Trump seems to be the perfect candidate to fuck it all up, before someone else can take over the wheel.
Yeah when my car is running poorly I usually put a brick on the gas pedal and drive it into a tree then light it on fire. It’s the perfect way to stop having a poorly running car.
Be careful with those types of ideas “we have to tear down the system and anyone who tears it down is worth it” no, if Trump ruins everything, whoever comes after him is not going to fix it, at least not in the way you imagine. Believe me, in Europe we have seen those kinds of ideas before
The issue isn’t whether Donald the Duck wants to be a dictator—it’s clear that he does. It’s also evident that his supporters are aware of this. The real question is why so many Americans feel so let down by their political system that they’re willing to tear it down completely.
Because they keep voting against their own interests? Because they’re gullible fools manipulated by outrage headlines? Because they aren’t able to understand the consequences of their votes?
I try to understand, I try to find common ground, but all I see is someone in a horror movie standing in an open grave wondering if they’re trapped but won’t stop digging.
If you really believe that such a large percentage of Americans vote to end democracy because they are idiots, then you don’t believe in democracy either.
And that is what will do more than anything to end it, to make neither side believe that it is the least bad of the systems.
Yep, both sides the same. Voting for universal healthcare and achieving it, is the same as voting against and having hundreds of thousands without. Voting to respect everyone’s reproductive rights is the same as trying to control other people’s choices. Voting to improve education is the same as starving education. And most of all not understanding people’s poor choices is exactly the same as treason and election fraud
You haven’t understood me. I’m not talking about specific policies and which ones are better; I’m talking about the very foundations of democracy. In a democracy, those in power are chosen by the majority. If you believe that the majority (or close to it) is idiotic, how can you believe that democracy is better than other systems? In your own response, you make it clear that you think your ideas are better and should be implemented regardless of whether they convince people or whether the majority wants them. How can you call yourself a democrat in those circumstances?
That’s a really big stretch, even before complaining about the electoral college, nor did I focus on my ideas but listening to the candidates, watching actual behaviors, accepting reality
But it’s much simpler than that. Do you believe that decisions made by the majority of citizens are legitimate and valid even if they go against your ideas, yes or no? If the answer is yes, it doesn’t matter if your ideas are to raise or lower taxes; it doesn’t matter if your ideas are for healthcare for all or none. You believe in democracy, and then we’ll decide which team you’re on and whether it’s ‘better’ or ‘worse’ ethically.
I’m not from the USA, but from the outside, it seems like there are a lot of people who don’t accept decisions unless they align with their ideas, no matter how much popular support they have. And those ideas can be great (and may align with mine), but imposing them is never a good idea.
You’re putting words in my mouth that I never said
Sorry if it gave you that impression, sometimes my English is limited
Probably because they are feeling like the electoral system is not working for them at the moment. Sometimes you need to tear it down completely in order to build it up properly. Trump seems to be the perfect candidate to fuck it all up, before someone else can take over the wheel.
That’s not how that works. You don’t end up with a blank slate, you end up with a fascist shithole with no guarantee of it ever being unfucked.
Accelerationism
Yeah when my car is running poorly I usually put a brick on the gas pedal and drive it into a tree then light it on fire. It’s the perfect way to stop having a poorly running car.
Be careful with those types of ideas “we have to tear down the system and anyone who tears it down is worth it” no, if Trump ruins everything, whoever comes after him is not going to fix it, at least not in the way you imagine. Believe me, in Europe we have seen those kinds of ideas before