Really wish there was a way to block this kind of stuff from all my feeds. I already know this, and there is nothing I can do to stop it from happening, so I really don’t want to see it.
This is wild, the exact same discussion with the exact opposite upvotes would happen in the progressivepolitics community.
But to the point about “not being able to do anything” that’s just not true. Is it singularly enough to reverse or accelerate climate change? No, but that’s not the question is it. Anything is anything. Can you do anything? Yes.
The answer is Yes. So please do. You’re walking instead of driving? Eating less meat? Good. There you go - no need to crawl into a hole and die, you’re doing something. It’s not nothing. It’s good.
Even with appliances or vehicles: if you’re going to buy one anyway, you can choose increased efficiency and you’ve done something, no matter how small.
Right, that worked back in the day but it doesn’t work now because Republicans, conservatives, and people who own those people don’t care about saving the planet and don’t care about real actual science anymore. They will flatbout refuse to listen to facts, reason, and logic, so it’s impossible to have actual real conversations with them. If that stuff still worked, then we would already be working on trying to reverse what is happening, and we would be passing laws and issuing fines in the billions to companies like Exxon and BP.
Think about it. If we had the hole in the ozone right now instead of in the 80s there is absolutely no fucking way they would have passed the laws to fix it and the same goes for all the acid rain we had. If you think that stuff works, then please sell me whatever copium you have cuz christ could I use some.
Yes, there are some underlying issues which seem rooted in conservatisvism or rather its expression in modern politics.
But activism is not only about informing, it’s about pressuring the ruling class. And the more people support it, the better it works.
The ruling class was against civil rights, women’s rights, freeing slaves, Mahatma Ghandi, and so on. They were not convinced by facts, reason, or science. The people who are convinced by these need to show politicians that they are willing to stand up and protest if they don’t listen.
Repression against climate activism is (in my view) at an all-time high with movements even labeled as terrorists and a certain part of the populace agreeing with injuring or even killing members of climate activist groups. Not something I’d want to put myself into. :/
Yes, it’s hard. But I’d rather endure oppression than giving up.
However, there’s a lot you can do to support without repression. You can provide social media support, help with designing banners and stuff, take and edit pictures and videos, provide food, or also legal support, just as some examples.
Also, the more people join protests, the harder it is for the state to oppress them.
Those things are helpful and nice, but they aren’t even close to enough. As long as conservatives hold any power, billionaires and corporations will continue to cook the planet. To combat global heating, we must combat conservatism.
Buy a gun. Participate in direct action and protests. Help organise mutual aid structures. Spread class consciousness. Assassinate a conservative politician. Storm the capital.
I didn’t list these things earlier because they require a bigger commitment than being carfree or vegan. I wanted to start with the easy stuff.
And that still won’t do shit when a company like ExxonMobil produces more pollution in a single year than thousands of people will in an entire lifetime. Don’t sit here and act like anything I do will make a difference just because it makes you feel better.
It will cause at least one less gram to be emitted. You said nothing, but what you can do isn’t nothing. It’s just not much. But this is the survival of all life on earth we’re talking about.
Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, it’s not going to get better. It’s not.
We have millions of people who care, and even if every single one of us produced a carbon neutral footprint(which isn’t possible for everyone) it still wouldn’t stop what’s coming at this point. It would slow it down but not stop it because 100 companies are responsible for 71% of all greenhouse gasses, and only 25 companies and state owned orgs are responsible for over 50% of the global industrial emissions. Without stopping them, you are throwing an icecube on a forest fire.
Hell, the top 1% of co2 producers produce 1000 times more than the bottom 1% which is you and me.
So buy one more day for us to have a revolution and end the pollution. If you have 1/100000000000000 the power of an oil CEO, and you still use that power polluting the environment for your own convenience, then what makes you better than them? That you would theoretically have done less damage if only your actions mattered a little more?
If you want a revolution, then you need to get their hands bloody, and people are not willing to do that. I don’t blame them I’m not willing to either.
Well I am. I’m participating in mutual aid and direct action orgs with the aim of assembling an apparatus for distributing weapons and committing insurrection against the government. Also I don’t drive a car or eat meat. My behaviours are designed to stop climate change at every level of action. You won’t engage in individual action, and you won’t engage in collective action, so what’s your big idea? Giving up? No thanks.
I already recycle and walk as much as I can, but I unfortunately am not able to walk much due to where I live and an injury. The city close to where I live already has bike lanes and a fairly good public transit. It’s cool that you are an environmental terrorist and all, but I still don’t see what you or your armed group has done to stop or even slow down Exxon or companies like them.
Really wish there was a way to block this kind of stuff from all my feeds. I already know this, and there is nothing I can do to stop it from happening, so I really don’t want to see it.
This is wild, the exact same discussion with the exact opposite upvotes would happen in the progressivepolitics community.
But to the point about “not being able to do anything” that’s just not true. Is it singularly enough to reverse or accelerate climate change? No, but that’s not the question is it. Anything is anything. Can you do anything? Yes.
The answer is Yes. So please do. You’re walking instead of driving? Eating less meat? Good. There you go - no need to crawl into a hole and die, you’re doing something. It’s not nothing. It’s good.
Even with appliances or vehicles: if you’re going to buy one anyway, you can choose increased efficiency and you’ve done something, no matter how small.
There is something you can do. You can get into and support climate activism.
Right, that worked back in the day but it doesn’t work now because Republicans, conservatives, and people who own those people don’t care about saving the planet and don’t care about real actual science anymore. They will flatbout refuse to listen to facts, reason, and logic, so it’s impossible to have actual real conversations with them. If that stuff still worked, then we would already be working on trying to reverse what is happening, and we would be passing laws and issuing fines in the billions to companies like Exxon and BP.
Think about it. If we had the hole in the ozone right now instead of in the 80s there is absolutely no fucking way they would have passed the laws to fix it and the same goes for all the acid rain we had. If you think that stuff works, then please sell me whatever copium you have cuz christ could I use some.
Agreed. If we aren’t fighting conservatism, we aren’t fighting climate change.
Conservatives are the army of the billionaires. Global heating will continue until conservatism is defeated. There is simply no way around this.
Yes, there are some underlying issues which seem rooted in conservatisvism or rather its expression in modern politics.
But activism is not only about informing, it’s about pressuring the ruling class. And the more people support it, the better it works.
The ruling class was against civil rights, women’s rights, freeing slaves, Mahatma Ghandi, and so on. They were not convinced by facts, reason, or science. The people who are convinced by these need to show politicians that they are willing to stand up and protest if they don’t listen.
Repression against climate activism is (in my view) at an all-time high with movements even labeled as terrorists and a certain part of the populace agreeing with injuring or even killing members of climate activist groups. Not something I’d want to put myself into. :/
Yes, it’s hard. But I’d rather endure oppression than giving up.
However, there’s a lot you can do to support without repression. You can provide social media support, help with designing banners and stuff, take and edit pictures and videos, provide food, or also legal support, just as some examples.
Also, the more people join protests, the harder it is for the state to oppress them.
Sell your car. Stop eating meat. Go to city council meetings and push for bike lanes.
Those things are helpful and nice, but they aren’t even close to enough. As long as conservatives hold any power, billionaires and corporations will continue to cook the planet. To combat global heating, we must combat conservatism.
Buy a gun. Participate in direct action and protests. Help organise mutual aid structures. Spread class consciousness. Assassinate a conservative politician. Storm the capital.
I didn’t list these things earlier because they require a bigger commitment than being carfree or vegan. I wanted to start with the easy stuff.
I like the cut of your jib.
And that still won’t do shit when a company like ExxonMobil produces more pollution in a single year than thousands of people will in an entire lifetime. Don’t sit here and act like anything I do will make a difference just because it makes you feel better.
It will cause at least one less gram to be emitted. You said nothing, but what you can do isn’t nothing. It’s just not much. But this is the survival of all life on earth we’re talking about.
Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, it’s not going to get better. It’s not.
We have millions of people who care, and even if every single one of us produced a carbon neutral footprint(which isn’t possible for everyone) it still wouldn’t stop what’s coming at this point. It would slow it down but not stop it because 100 companies are responsible for 71% of all greenhouse gasses, and only 25 companies and state owned orgs are responsible for over 50% of the global industrial emissions. Without stopping them, you are throwing an icecube on a forest fire.
Hell, the top 1% of co2 producers produce 1000 times more than the bottom 1% which is you and me.
So buy one more day for us to have a revolution and end the pollution. If you have 1/100000000000000 the power of an oil CEO, and you still use that power polluting the environment for your own convenience, then what makes you better than them? That you would theoretically have done less damage if only your actions mattered a little more?
If you want a revolution, then you need to get their hands bloody, and people are not willing to do that. I don’t blame them I’m not willing to either.
I am. I suspect I’m not alone.
LARP. Sounds great, but it’s not real.
Well I am. I’m participating in mutual aid and direct action orgs with the aim of assembling an apparatus for distributing weapons and committing insurrection against the government. Also I don’t drive a car or eat meat. My behaviours are designed to stop climate change at every level of action. You won’t engage in individual action, and you won’t engage in collective action, so what’s your big idea? Giving up? No thanks.
I already recycle and walk as much as I can, but I unfortunately am not able to walk much due to where I live and an injury. The city close to where I live already has bike lanes and a fairly good public transit. It’s cool that you are an environmental terrorist and all, but I still don’t see what you or your armed group has done to stop or even slow down Exxon or companies like them.
Dr. Seuss was ahead of his time
lmao, one gram of CO2 out of the 3.74 × 10^16 grams of CO2 emitted annually worldwide.
This is like digging through couch cushions hoping to find enough money to fund the construction of a space station.
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Did you know you agree with the “hippie”?