I notice a large number of ragebait-y political communities being spun up by new users with thousands of posts & ai profile header photos. I notice comment sections are more acrimonious, and foreign disinfo talking points are circulating a lot more prolifically than before the US election started ramping up.
Anyone else notice this? Any idea on how to combat it on this platform? Are there any communities built around creating block lists of obvious troll/ai/disinfo accounts & communities?
First time?
Don’t worry, day after the election they mysteriously vanish as if they were never real at all.
Would be crazy if it were all just disinformation campaigns throwing shit at each other for 12 months.
Luckily no one’s stupid enough to fall for all that.
Like when Biden stepped out of the election. The scripts were broken and there was only silence
Yeah we’re all subject to the mind virus that is US general elections.
I hate the phrase mind virus.
Would you prefer the term “idea cancer?”
Anything that doesn’t bring up an immediate association with Elon Musk and friends is better. I hear mind virus and I just immediately remember “woke mind virus” and have an almost autonomic reaction.
Well, unfortunately it is indeed an infectious agent that hijacks the infected to manufacturer more of itself and cannot metabolize or reproduce without directly utilizing the machinery of a host AND its medium of transmission, metabolism, and reproduction is the mind, so “mind virus” definitively fits the bill.
But so do most memetic constructs.
Of course the point of likening it to a virus is to compare it the involuntary nature of a viral infection, even though must people have a voluntary role to play in accepting ideas. So if you take something into your body with full consent, knowing it will reproduce itself, I guess that’s more mind sex? That sounds a lot less harmful.
not everyone actually KNOWS what they’re imbibing though. There are discrete pipelines of rhetoric that drip-feed poison that oftentimes isn’t even noticeable until it’s too late. Little baby-steps of escalation. Getting roofied is not full consent!
each human being comprises a wide foundation of autonomous sensory and telemetry systems feeding data up into a stack of reactive animal impulses of competing interests which present options to a capstone observer process that has executive influence in deciding which options to embrace and cultivate vs which ones to ignore and atrophy and that capstone, your actual SELF, is a much smaller piece of you than you think it is, and it CAN be overwhelmed by junk info flooding the lower sections.
People. Get. Brainwashed. People absolutely CAN and DO become prisoners within their own bodies as their willpower is overwhelmed and swallowed by propaganda and rhetoric, becoming possessed by an ideology that replaces them and transforms their body into a shambling zombie whose only goal is to SPREAD THE INFECTION. You can see it take hold whenever you’re trying to tell someone something that opposes their worldview, watching their eyes glaze over mid-sentence before they are swept under the thrall of canned responses that they neither actually believe nor even fundamentally understand.
Mostly it happened to our parents and grandparents who drank the tea party’s kool aid and then promptly got swept up into the MAGA cult, or worse, Q-Anon. There might be a shred of the person they used to be in there somewhere, but make no mistake, that person is not in control anymore. That person who loved you as family once has been replaced by a ghoul that will sacrifice you to the false god of its ideology now.
No matter how much high-minded philosophizing we pile on top of ourselves, deep down these bodies are still animals beholden to flawed instincts and senses that can be manipulated, misled by illusions, or even driven to outright hallucination.
TL;DR: YOU ARE NOT IMMUNE TO PROPAGANDA.
(but i’ve upvoted you because ‘brainfucked’ is DEFINITELY a valid alternative way to describe this shit XD)
Filtering the names of popular political figures is leaving me with much less political news and the stuff that remains I am much more likely to care about than the usual gossip about celebrities, I mean politicians.
Oh dang. How do I do that?
I’m using sync for Android and it’s a feature. I think there are a couple other apps that have the same.
I’ll check boost.
Honestly just filtering out the words “Trump” and “Elon” would get rid of about 95% of it all.
Gotta hand it to the news SEO teams, they know what makes effective clickbait.
Just blocked politics & news and my quality of life instantly jumped 200%. I highly recommend it. If something significant happens, you’ll read about it in another community.
Lots of blocking to do. Trust me, you won’t miss it. Part of the fun here.
Me too. I had been getting really agitated, and others too, but it became so obvious that it was foreign influence trolls. Blocked politics, but it’s especially concerning because most people aren’t going to block politics.
Filter out the names of the candidates and a couple of crazy billionaires and you can even keep the news subs.
I subscribe to communities and only read what I’m interested in. So I didn’t notice anything. But I know lots of people use Lemmy differently and read the “All” feed. That might be an entirely different perspective.
Yep, I’m the same as you. Didn’t notice a damn thing, and was curious how I’d missed anything. When I saw it was happening through new communities I knew it was the All-feed people seeing this.
I get that the All-feed is useful and fun, but seeing random shit is kinda the “price of entry” no?
Unfortunately, it’s not bullet proof solution. I still see multitude comments in technology communities about “it’s capitalism (greed)”. It’s an uphill battle to block it all. You can’t block whole instances like lemmy.world or lemmy.ml :-)
You can block them
I think that’s a you problem. If you’re too thin-skinned for the truth, I don’t think there is a good way to engage with people on the internet. Especially technology is a field that’s massively intertwined with money. In our current world, the largest and dominatig companies are about technology and selling ads. That’s just the way it is. So when talking about facts and real-world issues with internet technology, this influence is bound to come up… I mean feel free to have your own opinion. Maybe it’s also a cultural difference in our perspective on the world. I’m also a person who doesn’t shy away from calling them out.
Arguing with people complaining that everything is capitalism fault is pointless. Especially with people having definition “not their perfect ideal communism” equals capitalism. It’s just waste of my time. I’m done with politics and I know many communities where politics mean an immediate ban
Yeah, fair enough. It’s a bit weird for me to discuss politics, too. Especially since I’m not from the US and lots of people here are. But our perspectives are so different. I’ve been called a communist. And I’m far from it. A lot of people are ignorant or trolling, too. That has nothing to do with where they come from. And yeah. Lemmy in general is overly political. I completely agree. And I’d rather discuss some computer projects, personal projects and hobbies or whatever. Most of politics is just a shitshow. Especially when I look across the ocean. And that’s none of my business, strictly speaking. We have our issues, too. I’m not okay with excluding capitalism from the arguments, as I think it’s one of the biggest issue with for example why parts of the internet suck. But I think I get it if you say you’re tired of it and resignate.
If you interpreted my last comment that I called you communist ( which I didn’t intend ), I’m sorry that wasnt my intention. However, in my home country we say that best way to finish a meeting or party is to start politics. That’s why I’m allergic to politics because I know that most people even don’t try to argue, they only repeat “their opinions” same one form or another and call themselves names and labels. People have too far opinions to reconcile and I’m fine with this
Yeah. I wasn’t implying that. You didn’t call me anything. I’m just a bit sad that it is the way it is. I think in a democracy it is our job (we as the people / citizens) to shape the world around us. Ideally it’d work that way and that’s what democracy is about (at least in part). It’s super unhealthy for a society that people can’t talk to each other or reconcile. But that’s where things are steering towards?!
Being stubborn and having strong opinions, calling each other names and confining people to labels doesn’t get us anywhere. And it doesn’t get anything solved. I’d not participate in that, either. The sad thing is that this silences the good people. Maybe like you(?) And in the end I’m not okay with that. Idk. Take care… Have a nice day… I think on a personal level your reasoning is perfectly valid.
I think the problem is that politics is involved in literally everyone’s lives in every aspect. On the other hand, every other hobby is kind of it’s own niche. I wish people would post more in their own niche hobbies, though. Too many people are content to be lurkers (me included, I need to go back to posting in the league of legends, gaming, and other communities again).
It’d help me if you (meaning everyone here) just pressed the upvote button every now and then. I’m regularly typing long answers here, contribute perspectives or give good advice. And seeing that valued by people is on the decline, lately. I occasionally scroll through my old comments and I regularly ask myself if it’s worth the effort if no-one engages or even shows any appreciation by voting.
Feel free to also write text if you have some time to spare. But I think upvoting comments is an important issue to me, too. And it’d already get us somewhere. And can be done by any lurker.
And I really agree with the “post more in their own niche hobbies”. That’d really add to this place. Immensely. I always complain that I’m here for that. And instead, most people just dump the news from some newspapers.
Yes. If you want to actually combat them, the best way is to contact your admins.
Outside of the news and actual politics subs, the only political spam I see on the reg is posts like this complaining about political spam.
Few memes channels get some and comments are just vile.
If you’re in a meme group you’ve already resigned to waste the time rotting your brain, so, whatever you get is consistent.
Every 4 years.
Lately it feels like the bots have found Lemmy
I have blocked all the sublemmys that are doing it
I haven’t noticed it but I rarely look at the all communities feed instead of just my subscriptions. I do notice that a lot of users seem to be simply in the tank instead of maintaining healthy skepticism towards politicians. I also keep hearing “foreign disinfo” but that makes me chuckle. Of course it exists but it’s not more potent than the domestic disinfo which is even more plentiful.
I also keep hearing “foreign disinfo” but that makes me chuckle. Of course it exists but it’s not more potent than the domestic disinfo which is even more plentiful.
I’m not sure the distinction is easy to make, or all that meaningful.
I’m not sure the distinction is easy to make, or all that meaningful.
I’m not who you replied to, but I think the implication is that the domestic disinfo is often just the plentiful pool of misinformed or so-called “low information voters” who may be pushing an agenda, but not one that goes beyond their own beliefs, whereas foreign actors are pushing a state agenda.
Except that the foreign actors’ state agenda is domestic chaos for the US.
I mean, sure, but when a considerable number of the low information voters are uncritically spreading memes produced by domestic extremists inspired by narratives devised by state actors and pushed through state media, is it domestic or foreign? Does it even matter?
This is not a hypothetical. This is literally how major disinformation has spread since MH17, through Brexit, the 2016 election, Covid and beyond.
The Russians, the Iranians, the proud boys and uncle Jack in the family WhatsApp are all part of the same hydra of crap.
The Russians, the Iranians, the proud boys and uncle Jack in the family WhatsApp are all part of the same hydra of crap.
I see what you mean, but I disagree. Bot accounts are categorically different in this space. It’s impossible to have a meaningful conversation with a bot. So when I see things like bot activity disguised to look like organic human activity, especially when it aligns with hostile foreign state interests, that’s something that I think is uniquely bad and worth pointing out and combating.
Oh yes, this is generally classified as coordinated inauthentic traffic and moderated away regardless of content.
That is, that was the norm before platforms decided they kind of like fascism if it gets them less regulations and more tax cuts.
Hmm that’s a great point, I wasn’t really considering the interrelationships there. I see where you are coming from now.
Absolutely. They spam their own subs which limits reporting options. The mods of the popular
subscommunities they spam don’t seem interested in doing anything unless a comment or post is an egregious/explicit/blatant violation of the rules.The smart thing to do would be to block them, but I am not a smart man; I feel obligated to downvote them.
The good news, I guess, is Lemmy is growing to a size where following the Local (or All) feed is becoming a challenge. The bad news is Lemmy is still much too small for niche communities to be viable.
Consider using one of the Lemmy apps that supports key word filters.
Filter out the names of the parties and vice/prez hopefuls and you’ll cut 90% of it from your feed.
Blocking communities you’re not interested in is also helpful if you visit All. It’s an uphill battle - I’ve blocked over 600 (sports and yiff porn probably account for 500 of those… jfc…) and still need to do some pruning, but my All is pretty personalized now.
From what I’ve seen 99% of coffee points comes from one instance, you could just block that instance.
It’s more of a permanent flooding situation, but, well, election year. I just block shit that gets to be a nuisance - some instances are entirely devoted to shrill screeching, some have legitimately decent communities that just aren’t worth the astroturfing/doomposting/negativity/politics/malicious management/people being twats or 100 other reasons. None of it’s missed, except it shows how much of a ghost town this is when you remove the ragebait.
I lost my (several pages long) blocklist in the kbin.run disappearance, Lemmy actually having instance blocking does a lot to make it easier to build back up. I do wish blocking an instance also blocked its users, which doesn’t seem like the case.
Did they just charge their username?
Haven’t seen that. But I have seen some users who spend every moment of their lives posting to sway opinion on an issue of their choosing. And if I accurately assess them as Russian paid trolls, I get all my comments removed and I get banned. So that’s awesome and fair. Their content stays up, protected by mods. What an awesome feeling.
You should get banned for that. This isn’t Reddit, go back if you want a hug box.
What the hell are you talking about?
They are the mods. Your reports go straight to them. That’s how they know to ban you.
Israel -Garza trolls/posters too
Edit Little bit ironic funny. In a thread about trolls the trolls come out
They can’t stop until kamala walks into the oval office and kicks biden in the nerds and screams, “Isreal better stop now or ill nuke the Vatican.”
Can we please nuke the vatican? Then continue systematically disassembling all other religions?
This attitude is insane to me. A fucking genocide is happening. Imagine this attitude during WW2 if we were spring the Nazis. “Look at all these Jewish troll posters. So many complaints about this Holocaust thing. Must be Russian agents. No idea why else they would care this much.”
I’ve got “Am I taking crazy pills?” energy up in here lol.
At the time quite a few people doubted the existence of the extermination camps. But when they were liberated and journalists got to visit them the cat was out of the bag.
True, but I’d like to think people would have thought better if people were live streaming it, from both sides of the conflict even.
cough Linkerbaan cough
