I remember when you could go on Facebook and look through your feed at what your friends are saying, catch up with them, and browse posts that they have made. Now, it’s just completely random and chaotic, almost nonsensical. There’s no logical sense to my Facebook feed at all. As you can see in the image, they are showing me stuff that I’m not even following. This is not even something that I am actively a part of! It’s some random group. So what’s the point of following a group or liking a page, if they’re just going to show you random stuff anyway?
Like, wtf happened to this website?
Well, less and less people post stuff like their vacation pic or food pic etc. Then more and more companies pay to be in your feed, so now your feed is only non-sense stuff like yours, or mine, it does not make sense, I often see posts from stuff not in my country or sometimes not in my language.
I only use FB for Marketplace (really big here), and for some FB hobby groups that replace good old forums. I never publish anything, and only one of my friend still post pictures of their journey, that’s it.
In Canada it is way worst, because every sources deemed news media cannot post/share articles, imagine in the USA if your feed had no news like cnn, abc, nbc, cbs, npr, nyt, etc. but in your feed you see all the alternatives news (read: far-right, conspiracy, pro-russian, pro-musk, anti-ev, etc).
This is our reality in Canada, our facebook feed looks like twitter, full of hate and fake news. I always block them, but there are certainly thousands and thousands of bots posting those kind of thing.
FB is dead.
The default is an enshittified feed that shows you algorithm-chosen content. To see the old version of facebook, tap the menu in the upper right corner, then select feeds, then select friends.
I’ve been going there less and less lately. They started putting ads in the notifications section as well.
You know what sucks about Facebook? The fact that it took the reigns from Craigslist and you can’t buy local used stuff without having a Facebook account. I hate hate hate that. I want to sell my used shit without a Facebook account. It’s all fucking tire kickers anyway.
As a non American I’m more salty about Oculus. lol Although at its height it was also severely annoying that every freaking company used FB pages instead of their own websites, including for support requests. So without FB you literally could not contact them. Luckily that trend only held up for a few years but it was still annoying as hell.
Oculus was founded by a shitty person who sold to Facebook and then went on to help make a company to bring Big Tech into surveillance and autonomous weapon systems. Basically, he’s trying to bring on an orwellian nightmare.
Oculus would have gone bad weather or not Facebook bought them.
hugs my index
I totally agree here, on both points
I don’t understand why people like Facebook marketplace. It’s so transparently a way for them to just gather more shopping habits data on you, and it’s too easy for scammers to use. They act like having an account somehow makes it harder to scam.
I would much rather support the website run by a skeleton crew that has no unnecessary features than get a few bucks more on FB marketplace. If I’m selling something that I’ve used, it’s cause I want to get rid of it, anyway.
People use it because that’s where the sellers are at. I also liked Craigslist before but Facebook ate their lunch plus one slight advantage from marketplace is seeing who you’re buying from beforehand. It makes it a lot easier to weed out fake listings when you see someone just created their account this year or if they have bad ratings.
Vehicle listings are absolute garbage though as the filtering options are super basic or ridiculous like you can filter by the color of a car but not engine size. I don’t know of a single person who searches for cars/trucks based on their color.
Just use craigslist. I do. Even in low pop areas it works.
Nextdoor is also good for selling stuff. But you need to verify your address through either an ID or they send you a post card. Keeps the bots off though.
The solution is to keep using craigslist - it still exists and gets some activity. Ensure that it gets more.
Craiglist doesn’t even have my city listed
Pick the nearest one that is.
Fortunately, my area has a popular classifieds section at a local newspaper website that everyone seems to have standardized on. I guess people probably also use Facebook, but the local classifieds has a ton of listings.
So if Craigslist is essentially dead in your area, check the classifieds in whatever newspapers are popular in your area, maybe there’s another relatively popular option. And regardless of what you do, it’s totally fine to make posts in multiple places, so make a Craigslist post and updated it alongside whatever one you end up using.
This. If people really want to buy something they will check all available websites for the item(s) they’re looking for. I still use CL exclusively and refuse to touch FB Marketplace even with a burner account because it requires a phone number.
Absolutely this. In the town I moved from, Craigslist was the defacto town market. In this one, it’s FB Marketplace.
FB doesn’t have a stranglehold because they’re better; these spaces can and do evolve organically.
Ok. Will do! Thanks!
I have never been on Facebook, never even been on the website.
The day it started I told my college-age family that it was a privacy nightmare. They called me paranoid.
It is a privacy nightmare. However if you only use it for keeping up with distance friends it is a useful tradeoff. However because they must have so much private information to be useful for that purpose you need to ensure they never have any other purpose. Which is why I won’t use marketplace or groups - there are alternatives that don’t already have private information.
Facebook’s Shadow profile on you doesn’t care whether you have an account or visited their site.
I’m not going to allow them to coerce me into making an account because they have a simulacrum of me.
Fair, but you can do a lot to limit what data it has, like using extensions like “Facebook Container” on Firefox to block tracking across various sites. It’s not going to prevent your grandma from adding you as a grandchild and your parents from linking you to themselves, but it can do a lot to limit how bad the tracking is.
It’s all fucking tire kickers anyway.
I had an instance recently where it was faster and easier to literally make an item with my bare hands than to coordinate a purchase of one via marketplace.
Was it a dildo made of starburst? No one will buy mine
Go to the sidebar on the left. Click on ‘See More.’ Click ‘feeds’ here:
There will be much less random junk.
Stupid, I know, but it does work.
this button actually makes it look like shit
Really? For me it only shows friends and groups I’m actually in.
yeah all my groups and friends are shit
Well that’s a different issue.
not in my opinion
Don’t use meta products if you have respect for yourself
Don’t use Meta products.
Ftfy. 😁
I make it a point of blocking all groups and anything shared. The only cat pictures I want to see on Facebook are your cat, so if you share a meme I’m blocking all from whoever created it. Then I have a rule after blocking 2 facebook is done for this session and so I close the window. I have cleaned up my feed a bit by doing that, but I alone am not enough data to show up - I need the rest of you to commit to only using Facebook for sharing friends and family. Block all groups, marketplace, politics, memes, just share your life with the people who know you well enough to care about your personal life. IF enough of us do that we can maybe show up in data that there are people who don’t want that and so they will make an algorithm for us that shows more of our friends and less of the other garbage. I’m sure there is a lot more I’d like to see on facebook but I never do because I stop scrolling too soon - which hurts them.
The answer is obviously as everyone has pointed out already is enshittification.
Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification. (Cory Doctorow)
Profit = enshittification. It’s guaranteed as long as profit is a motive.
An interesting concept is the idea of a distributed social web. It was the concept me, and probably a LOT of other redditors, were looking at last year, but it seems no such thing really exists. The idea that everyone’s home computer (or mobile device nowadays) could act as the client and the server. Perhaps using a firefox addon of some sort.
Do any software devs (ok that’s like 90% of lemmy, lol) know if any existing projects are trying to do this? It does not seem like an unfeasible thing, and it wouldn’t have to grow overnight, it could possibly just be a feature in an existing addon that allows communication directly between users. No centralized servers of any sort. Distributed communication without central control. Is this possible?
The existing social media companies own the world (literally), and they can maintain this control because they can buy out competitors. You can’t buy out 5 billion people though, so if people had the tools available to host their own web; and it was as easy as installing a firefox browser addon, a true democracy could exist like the world has never seen.
distributed social web
…ActivityPub?
I do know of a project that does what you are looking for, decentralized (100%), FOSS, easy to set up, encrypted…
I built a very basic chat program on top of it quite easily, a “FB clone” is not far away IMO.
So what’s the project? It’s my Tenfingers protocol & implementation (http://tenfingers.org) and it’s just waiting for adoption!
I’m in the process of making the documentation and installation guide, but you can check it out right now.
I’d love showcasing it somewhere, getting feedback, help out with problems etc.
sounds interesting, is the source code on somewhere like codeberg or GitHub?
How does it work?
You can download the python code, or frozen executables for Linux and Windows on http://tenfingers.org
Or the whole project, which I admit is kind of messy, on codeberg: https://codeberg.org/Valmond/Tenfingers
I posted a more detailed description just below in this theead, please do say if you don’t find it or if you have any kind of questions!
Very cool. 100% over my technical knowledge level but I’ll take a look at the code and give it a whirl when I get a chance.
I think it would be awesome if it worked. Power to the people! ;)
Hey thank you!
I finally have some free time ahead, I’ll put together a first ‘real’ documentation that covers installation and basic use cases so that people actually can have a chance of testing it for real. I’ll swap the cringy 1990 web page for it on tenfingers.org
Do tell if you try it out 👍🏻
Valmond
I did do a test install (on a virtual machine), and everything seemed to install/configure fine using the python source code and instructions in your repo, but I wasn’t able to see any connections being made in the listener log. Brain is too tired, but I tried all of the addresses/ports listed (Debian/bash/ip addr) and created port exceptions with ufw per the instructions file. Can this work with a virtual box?
Nice!
You do need a link to some data as a bootstrap to node adresses, there is a test link on tenfingers.org you can try using, it downloads a small text file but also adds my live nodes address to your known addresses when you use it.
Or you can just set up two local nodes on 127.0.0.1 with two different ports, run their listeners, add data to them, extract the links and, download from the ‘other’ node to see how things hook up and so on.
The links as tenfingers.db are sqlite databases, so they are easily inspected.
sorry, but I think what you are looking for is platforms like Lemmy. it is not centralized, it is distributed. not peer to peer, sure, but
- since a lot of devices are not being online at the same time, mobile phones but even desktop PCs always go offline for some period of time, the direct communication wouldn’t really work with a lot of other users
- you would need to store much more dataon each of your devices, unless you’re the kind who doesn’t care about mindlessly deleting past conversations
It’s because you’re still supporting them. That crap you see puts money in Zucker’s pocket. Delete your account and it will stop.
I’ve been assuming that their user engagement is down. Fifteen years ago when I was fresh out of university I had several hundred friends and could spend hours every day going through posts from dozens of different people. Now it feels like I can spend ten or fifteen minutes to see everything and mostly it’s from the same half-dozen people, and I’ve realized most of them are people I don’t really know as well and frankly am not as interested in seeing. At first I thought it was because they were the most prolific posters and I’d inadvertently trained the algorithm to show me more from them by interacting with them the most.
But over the past year I’ve noticed if I actually click on someone else’s profile, maybe having seen their name on a memory or just randomly think of an old friend, most of them only make a few posts a year or haven’t posted anything at all in years. Their accounts still exist, but they’re not using them.
If your feed was only this, a few posts a day from a few people, you’d have no reason to be on Facebook much. So they fill it in with junk from other places that will hopefully engage you. If it doesn’t they’ll try other posts. Whatever it takes to keep you browsing longer.
Two years ago, I quit FB for six months. Then I checked my feed, and counted six friends’ updates and zero group posts in the first 100 items. 94% of posts were ads or “suggested” content. So, I closed FB and never went back again. Whatsap statuses is where I find my friends’ updates these days.
They figured out that this kind of feed makes the most money from the most users. They don’t care if you like it, they care what the majority of users will stick around for. The longer total scrolling time they can get from their user base, the more ads they can cram in there. Ads make money.
Algorithm leads to more scroll time per person leads to more ads per user leads to more income
So, because money
I suspect it’s not an optimization to make every post you see interesting. For one thing, we tend to find intermittent rewards more fascinating and addictive than reliable ones. For another, if you have to scroll further you’ll see more ads. But if you make it too boring people won’t scroll at all. So the algorithm probably tries to make it just interesting enough to keep people scrolling, but no more.
Aw, I remember Facebook.
Was great when it was just for organizing college parties and finding hookups.
Not only is it random, it’s nearly impossible to find something you have seen before. Awful all around.
More things clicked means more good. Here’s some slop you may like. Click it.
For the same reasons that everything else is “enshittified” – It’s produced by people seeking maximum profits for minimum effort, and consumed by people who aren’t discerning enough to care.
