Quick question, I’m looking to make an Mbin account and just wanted to ask if there is any lemmy.ml type of situation to be aware of.

  • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
    512·
    2 months ago

    From before Kbin shut down, I was hearing a lot of talk of the Mbin devs being dickheads and spamming around the site.

    I don’t think they’re genocide denying authies like the Lemmy devs, but the mbin team isn’t great either.

    Why not look into something like PieFed?

    • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
      15·
      2 months ago

      I’m part of the Mbin team (and created the fork), why are you calling us dickheads? You don’t even know the dev team. You don’t even know me.

      If you want to join Mbin you can just join a Mbin server. If you want to join the community and help out, join the Matrix chat. I don’t understand where all the fuzz is about.

      @BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de is also part of the Mbin team (thank you!), and he is also tired about all the negative talking about us, without any foundation of truth.

    • jerry@fedia.io
      10·
      2 months ago

      I’ve had quite a lot of experience in interacting with the mbin team and I can definitely say they are kind and compassionate people who have a passion for this project and have shown nothing but helpfulness and grace to me and many other people.

    • BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de
      18·
      2 months ago

      I am part of the mbin team and I am really tired of hearing shittalking about us without any reason. Nobody has any reason to call us anything but passionate.

      When melroy started the fork, really weird accusations were thrown around without being based on anything…

      • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
        10·
        2 months ago

        Yes, thank you… Can somebody back it up? And thank you of being part of our community originalucifer.

    • RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      4·
      2 months ago

      One of main reasons I want to try Mbin is having lemmy style and mastodon style content in one place and afaik piefed doesn’t offer that

      • electricprism@lemmy.mlEnglish
        21·
        2 months ago

        Yeah I would definitely skip out on Mastodon and Lemmy directly. They’re fine as a temporary visit but long term nah.

      • schizo@forum.uncomfortable.businessEnglish
        16·
        2 months ago

        Counter opinion: mbin and the devs are fine.

        There’s a couple of people here who won’t stop hopping into every thread about anything to talk about the things they make/businesses they run/etc.

        Feels more like they’re just a little too enthusiastic over their shit than actual shitheads, but that’s just me.

        • abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us
          3·
          2 months ago

          Agreed. It’s quite telling that despite all the asking, no one has been yet able to pinpoint a single issue on the mbin devs.

          The most generous interpretation is that it’s just a half-remembered thing of discontent from folks who didn’t want kbin to get replaced (before it was known that kbin was dead).

        • nutomic@lemmy.mlEnglish
          35·
          2 months ago

          Big words from someone who posts anonymously, and who never contributed anything positive to the internet.

          • cacheson 🏴🔁🍊@piefed.social
            63·
            2 months ago

            Ah yes, I sure am making any effort whatsoever to conceal my identity? Weird dodge there, guy.

            At this point even someone as ideologically blinded as you should be able to see that the presence of you and your tankie friends is a liability to the project. Why do you think OP is looking to avoid a “lemmy.ml type of situation”?

            • nutomic@lemmy.mlEnglish
              22·
              2 months ago

              Ah yes Im a liability to Lemmy which wouldnt even exist without my work. Troll harder kiddo.

              • cacheson 🏴🔁🍊@piefed.social
                22·
                2 months ago

                I’m not saying that the work you’ve previously done should be undone. Ideally you would abandon your shitty politics instead of your development work, but I assume that’s out of the question.

                From the perspective of those trying to advocate for people to actually use lemmy, the instances that you run, lemmy.ml and lemmygrad, are a serious problem. Together with hexbear, they’re the “missing stairs” of the threadiverse. We’re constantly having to tell people “Yeah, it’s understandable that you don’t want to associate with tankies, but it’s really not so bad if you just block those three instances, and don’t mind that two of them are run by the lead developers of lemmy”. You walking away would be a net benefit at this point.

                • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
                  2·
                  2 months ago

                  You walking away would be a net benefit at this point.

                  It’s not that obvious.

                  Who would take over Lemmy development? Mbin and Piefed are getting there, but still far from catching up (Piefed has no API so no apps, Mbin only has one app)

                  Lemmy is still missing some impactful features which might really make it a 1:1 Reddit alternative

                  • multicommunities
                  • Post flairs, which could then be filtered

                  In a scenario where we are only left with Mbin and Piefed, we would probably have to wait another year to get to where we are now with Lemmy.

                  • cacheson 🏴🔁🍊@piefed.socialEnglish
                    12·
                    2 months ago

                    You walking away would be a net benefit at this point.

                    It’s not that obvious.

                    At the very least, we’re at the point where the counterargument to mine is merely damning with faint praise.

                    I haven’t tried Mbin, and as a Piefed user I agree that it’s not there yet. I’m not suggesting that they should replace Lemmy as the backbone software of the threadiverse. However, Lemmy will continue to run in the absence of active development.

                    I expect Sublinks to eventually overtake Lemmy since it’s being designed as a drop-in replacement, in a language better suited to web development than Rust. The dev team also aren’t pathological authoritarians, as far as I know. If development on Lemmy were to stop, the threadiverse community’s attention and resources would significantly shift towards Sublinks, which would benefit us all in the long run.

      • mke@programming.devEnglish
        21·
        2 months ago

        Wait, when have I ever denied any genocide?

        I’m sorry, that’s hilarious. It’s so odd, so absurd I can’t help but laugh.

        I’ve disagreements of my own, but all I want is to put them aside for a bit because this sentence deserves appreciation.