J.D. Vance seemingly admitted that he and Donald Trump have been spreading racist lies about Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio.
During an interview Sunday with CNN’s Dana Bash, Vance flailed as he attempted to downplay his ticket’s role in spreading completely discredited rumors that Haitian immigrants in Springfield were eating their neighbors’ cats and dogs. With Vance and Trump’s help, the cartoonishly racist lies made their way to the national stage, fueling right-wing hysterics and resulting in multiple bombthreats in the city of Springfield.
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Pretty sure they all do it. Some have done it so long they even believe it themselves
Politicians stock-in-trade is information. This is their work product.
I am a software developer. If I turn in software that doesn’t work. I get fired.
JD Vance, and all other politicians who lie should also be fired for not doing their jobs.
This is the world I want to live in.
Politicians work product is not information, it is legislation.
“Politician that never lies” is like “Developer that never writes bugs”. I want to live in that world too, but it is a fantasy world.
Lies are intentional though, so it’s more like writing bugs on purpose.
Agreed. There’s a huge gap between making a statement ignorant of all the facts, jumping the gun while making assumptions, and straight up lying.
Rs were confronted almost immediately with truth and corrections and they straight up lied just to cause drama. stirring up thier brainless followers and other racists to react.
There’s manslaughter.
Then there’s premeditated murder.Heh, now the parralel in my mind is developpers that put in microtransactions or force a subsribtion model with no option to buy.
Except bugs are usually unintentional and, with a good team, found and fixed before they cause any harm - usually before they’re public.
The equivalence would be non-political fact checkers and public apologies and/or policy changes. The media has given up on the first (for the most part) possibly becase politicians just ignore the second.
I think a lot of this comes down to the semantics of “intention”.
I intended to write line 152 exactly as written. I intended to write code that compiles. But that pesky compiler imposes reality on me when it says “bug on line 152”. Did I intend to write the bug?
Similarly, a politician may make a public promise on the campaign trail. They may truly intend to fulfill that promise, but political reality stops them when they are elected. There are hundreds of possible reasons for failure: poor planning and naivety, lack of political capital, or even accepting a lobbyist’s bribe. Which of these cases should be considered lies?
Good point. But, while a dev says “My bad” and fixes the bug, a politician just shrugs and often doubles down.
At the very least, the Dev will explain to the team why a bug happened so that others don’t repeat the mistake, but a politician won’t address any of the three scenarios you identified.
I fear this metaphor is stretching to breaking point, but the central point remains that it should not be acceptable for a politician to lie, yet somehow here we are…
Well duh, he’s a Republican. That’s their MO.
No, JD Vance is creating fake news and inciting hate against black immigrant community.
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https://newrepublic.com/post/185901/trump-haitian-migrant-conspiracy-violence-springfield-ohio
https://newrepublic.com/post/185963/donald-trump-effects-migrants-pets-conspiracy
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naw. Whore’s are professionals and have professional standards.
This guy… I’m not sure what word applies, but it’s probably unique to him.
I can’t believe I’m finally seeing the self-destruction of the Republican Party
To be fair, they are republican in name only. By their acts they are fascists
I can’t believe so many people are describing it that way. It’s clear there are plenty who will still vote for them.
I just see this making the Democrats even more conservative since the few non-batshit Rs will start looking that way and the leadership will try to woo them. (as they already are)
Progressives and actual leftists are going to be less represented, not more.
At least that’s my gloomy take. I’d love to be talked out of it.
Yeah, but they could also be pulled Left in fear that moving so far to the Right is what created Trump in the first place.
I’d love for that to be so, but I think centrist dems are OK with status quo, nothing progressive, already. An influx of “conservative democrats” isn’t going to move the needle in a good way.
Again, sincerely hoping to be proven wrong, that’s just how I read it.
Kids missed school. Parents missed work. I’m assuming cops and civil employees put in OT because of this. He admitted they were his lies that caused all this unnecessary ruckus.
Shouldn’t their shitbag lying campaign be responsible for these costs? The city of Springfield should sue.
There are no repercussions when you’re a Republican
Seriously WTF is up with this?
Oh this needs to be talked about more definitely, right on
Also innocent Haitian immigrants were attacked.
https://haitiantimes.com/2024/09/11/haitian-immigrants-in-ohio-under-racist-attacks/
This would be interesting. I agree 100%. I don’t know what type of law or precedent exists against this exact type of scenario but it’s for sure akin to yelling fire in a theatre.
IANAL (goes without saying, I guess)
If the city of Springfield can document damages resulting from Vance’s lies, then the city should definitely try to recoup their expenses. But from Vance personally, not the campaign org. The organization will be shut down by mid November and Springfield isn’t going to get a ruling before then. Besides, are we sure whether the campaign organization is even responsible for what unvetted shit a candidate spews?
Could this be a class action? I mean the city had OT to the police, but individuals had to miss work, kids missed school, and many other people were terrified. IDK but this smells like punitive damages.
Legal Eagle should do a take on this.
migrants were capturing the geese from the local park pond and eating them
This is totally fine by me, I don’t see the problem
there should be a limit and be managed like there are for the trout at the same park
All. My. Homies. Hate. Geese.
The whole segment is both infuriating and posted in full on youtube.
His entire Sunday circuit that I saw was enraging and also on YouTube - Dana Bash on CNN, then also he was on Face the Nation and Meet the Press. There’s something about that boy that ain’t right.
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