With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.

"How has Stein fared as a leader? By AOC’s perfectly reasonable standard, she’s done abysmally. As of July 2024, a mere 143 officeholders in the United States are affiliated with the Green Party. None of them are in statewide or federal offices. In fact, no Green Party candidate has ever won federal office. And Stein’s reign has been a period of indisputable decline, during which time the party’s membership—which peaked in 2004 at 319,000 registered members—has fallen to 234,000 today.

This meager coalition can’t possibly kick-start a legitimate political movement, capable of organizing voters and advancing ideas outside of perennial electoral events. It’s just large enough, however, to spoil the work of those who put in this kind of work."

  • blazera@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1771·
    2 months ago

    Can you imagine if you campaigned against trump half as much as you campaign against progressive parties?

    • themeatbridge@lemmy.world
      637·
      2 months ago

      Jill Stein is a lot of things, but “progressive” ain’t one of 'em. I’d love for Harris and the Dems to be more progressive, but they’re going to need a better example than Stein.

        • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
          420·
          2 months ago

          No one is going to read that, let alone answer you. See, this is a Stein hate thread, you’ve already lost the game.

          (I know nothing about her.)

          • the post of tom joad@sh.itjust.works
            84·
            2 months ago

            And while your first point is sound, the buried lede, (the part in parenthesis) is the real point, isn’t it?

            dems itt maybe knew her name before the party started smearing her. wonder how many will ever bother to look her up?

        • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.worldEnglish
          102·
          2 months ago

          Ah yes, the platform of a candidate that does not have a chance at win ing, even by mistake, and can say whatever the fuck they want because of it.

        • Rhaedas@fedia.io
          3·
          2 months ago

          That’s a long list of progressive ideas. Too bad she can’t possibly win in a two party system. I like the assumption that if she did get the office all that would immediately take effect. That’s not how it works. Unfortunate for many of the ideas she lists, but also as a protective measure in case people like Trump get in and sweep what’s left away to put in place a dictatorship. Like he’s promised to do.

          So putting away the policy comparisons and party names, and just looking at the math. Can a third party win in an established two party system in a FPTP election? The answer is a simple no. I’d love to see a ranking system in place to allow diversity of opinions have a chance in elections, and there’s a bill right now to do that nationally, by Democrats because they’re the ones that would do well in such a system. Let’s fix the real problem and stop this decades-long third party dream to do the impossible.

          And until there’s a grassroots movement and support at the local levels, the Green Party is always going to look like and be the spoiler party, no matter how many nice ideas they have bullet points for.

          Here’s a question for you: How many of those Green policies are similar to Harris policies? I saw a few, I just wonder if you realize that you could get some of that stuff done easily with Democrats in all three seats of power. Which we have a chance to do.

          • blazera@lemmy.worldEnglish
            15·
            2 months ago

            I like the assumption that if she did get the office all that would immediately take effect.

            Well if youre just gonna flat out lie

          • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
            133·
            2 months ago

            OP pointed a big red arrow at Stein’s stated beliefs, there’s your answer. Anything to say except, “Nuh uh!”?

            • blazera@lemmy.worldEnglish
              419·
              2 months ago

              I dont believe there is a single stated belief from Stein in the entire article

                • blazera@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  47·
                  2 months ago

                  Ah its that darn work experience required but how do you get work experience paradox.

                  By this logic we should never elect new politicians.

                  • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
                    41·
                    2 months ago

                    Has she held any positions at all? What does she do between running for president?

                    22 years of campaigning, and never once held any office whatsoever. Truly a great leader!

    • abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us
      1·
      2 months ago

      I imagine that most of it is going there, at least if one were to follow the money trail. It’s just that the Green party is so much smaller, so a few bits of afterthought saber rattling hurt them a lot worse than a much larger spend (by the Dems) against the GOP hurts the GOP.

    • the post of tom joad@sh.itjust.works
      938·
      2 months ago

      Or if for policies popular with a wide swath of America? Naw. I believe what MSNBC and all the real adults in the room agree with:

      Our party should ebrace moderate Republicans! Smear the greens! Keep leftist spoiler parties off the ballot! Dismiss Dem party dissidents as traitors and foreign assets! This is what real leftists do. All leftists to the left of me are actually to the right.

      I would know, i’m a Democrat, and I’m as left as they come