Damn, full support for a genocide that is unpopular with their own electorate, and this is the thanks they get? If you’re willing to lose due to principles, at least make them good principles.
It’s not genocide, it’s ethnic cleansing/stealing land. If all the Palestinians left for some place else, Israel would not pursue them to exterminate them, they’d just steal their land. It’s Palestinian land that Israel is stealing. The Palestinians are just in the way.
With all the good will in the world, my friend, you need to look up the definitions of genocide. Pursuing a population to exterminate then is NOT a prerequisite for genocide.
The Palestinians are not an ethnic group. They are people who live in Palestine, and are from many ethnicities and religious professions. They are being murdered because of where they live, not technically because of their ethnicity. If they all left of their own accord, Israel would not pursue them to murder them. Israel is murdering them to steal their land. Hence not genocide.
Did you really just say that if the indigenous inhabitants simply left their homes and wandered into the desert, then Israel wouldn’t be forced to commit a genocide?
What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I even touch on “Forced to commit genocide”? So shut the fuck up. The Israeli’s are choosing to do this. The Israeli intent is to chase non-Jews out of the land they want to steal. Israel is committing a different crime against humanity other than genocide. The Israelis are choosing to commit ethnic cleansing. The ethnicity of the people in Gaza who aren’t Jewish doesn’t matter to the Israelis. They just want them gone, chased out or murdered, no matter what their ethnicity or faith if they aren’t Jewish. It doesn’t make any difference to Bibi. And as long as that’s what Israel is doing, those who supply the means to Israel need to stop providing those means.
Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people.[a][2]
Dictionary
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
Cambridge dictionary
genocide
noun [ C or U ]
UK /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ US /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/
Add to word list
the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, by killing people or by other methods:
By what rationale do you group people who live in Palestine together as a particular group- because they aren’t. Israel wants Gaza, and they want everyone there who’s not an Israeli gone. Either chased out or murdered. It’s not like the extermination of certain Native peoples carried out by the US government in the 1800’s where they were obliterated for what they were.
The United states holocaust museum has a pretty good ‘plain text’ definition of genocide, which perfectly captures what the Israelis are trying to do to the Palestinians as genocide.
The article also has some useful ‘plain text’ descriptions of ethnic cleansing, crimes against humanity, mass atrocities, mass killing and war crimes.
The astute reader will notice that the Israelis are actually guilty of all of these mass atrocities as part of their attempts to genocide the Palestinians.
Genocide is defined as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.
The acts are:
Killing members of the group.
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Except for perhaps the last point, there’s no person that could argue that Israel has not perpetrated these acts against the Palestinians.
All that leaves then is the intent aspect of genocide.
The Israelis are very open about their desire to destroy Palestine. Law4palestine has a collection for quotes from current and former legislators which capture their genocidal intent:
Out in the real world, Hamas committed genocide on October 7. Israel is in Gaza in an attempt to destroy Hamas and free the hostages that were taken on that day.
“Genocide Joe” is just a meme spread by internet cranks that’s a very tiny minority of voters, insignificant compared to the number of voters that know the difference between a war and a genocide.
Hamas committed genocide on October 7. They should be destroyed for that crime. You’re pro-genocide because you want Hamas given a pass for their genocide.
Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Al-Regeb also prayed for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.”
Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad on October 24, 2023: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land […] because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation.” (October 24, 2023, LBC TV (Lebanon)). He also vowed to repeat the October 7 attacks “time and again until Israel is annihilated,” and expressing a desire to “sacrifice martyrs” (referring to Gazan civilians) for Hamas’ ideological aim of destroying Israel.
Hamas senior leader Khaled Mashal stated on October 19, 2023 that he views the current loss of civilian life in Gaza – brought about by Hamas’ strategy of using human shields – as essential: “No nation is liberated without sacrifices… In all wars, there are some civilian victims. We are not responsible for them.”
Hamas senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, commenting on the loss of civilian life in Gaza on October 26, 2023: “The blood of the women, children and elderly […] we are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit.”
They’ve been firing rockets at Israeli population centers for more than a decade. Just because Hamas has shit rockets and Israel has invested billions in protecting their people from them doesn’t mean Hamas hasn’t been trying to kill as many Israelis as they can. And on one day Israel’s defenses against Hamas slipped up and we saw the result.
how do you feel that bibi funded Hamas and took moves to make that situation the case and also what about the fact Gaza is an open air prison? any thoughts on that?
Weirdo conspiracy theory. People thinking that because Israel negotiated with Hamas in the past, that constitutes “funding them”. This is actually an argument against Israel negotiating with Hamas for a ceasefire right now if you apply critical thinking to this weirdo narrative.
also what about the fact Gaza is an open air prison
October 7 proved the necessity of building a fence to try to prevent Hamas from doing cross border raids and also proved the necessity of a blockade to prevent them from getting weapons. Obviously the fence wasn’t effective, but arguing against efforts to prevent Hamas from crossing into Israel and killing people is not something any rational person would continue to do. But that’s the nature of all of this isn’t it? You’re indoctrinated into repeating the same slogans over and over again, and even when it becomes obvious that the slogan makes no sense anymore, you continue repeating it because you’re unable to think about the meaning behind the words and are unable to adapt to any change in the situation.
Hamas committed genocide. Y’all are trying to use the bullshit “both sides” strategy on actual genocide to to give cover for the monsters in Hamas. You’re only fooling yourselves with this bullshit, society is rightly ignoring you for your disgusting behavior to get internet points by exploiting the suffering of real people.
If you actually cared about Palestinians you’d be demanding Hamas release the hostages. But you don’t want that to happen because you get sick entertainment from the suffering of Palestinians that Hamas provides to you by continuing with their war crimes. You’re ghouls.
Hamas went into villages and everyone they couldn’t carry back to their underground lairs they butchered. Murdered women and children. This wasn’t people catching stray bullets from a firefight or getting some shrapnel from a nearby explosion. This was monsters beheading people and desecrating their corpses. Playing with the decapitated heads of their victims because they were told to by their superiors.
Any why? Because they weren’t of the ethnicity and religious group that Hamas thinks should be living in the area.
That’s genocide. The only reason the number killed wasn’t hire was because Hamas didn’t have the capability of killing more. The willingness to do it is most certainly there.
And this wasn’t planned by some rogue splinter of Hamas. This was planned and executed by Yahya Sinwar, the current leader of Hamas. He and the rest of Hamas need to be brought to justice. If that’s not possible they need to be killed. They are genocidal monsters and should not be allowed to continue existing on this planet.
To you the word genocide is just a propaganda tool. You don’t know what it means to actually be against genocide. And because of your lack of concern over an actual genocide occurring, you’ve strayed to be on the same side as genocidal monsters. Making excuses for them, spreading their propaganda for them. Carrying water for genocidal monsters.
You are pro-genocide, whether you know it or not. You may feel that by being the first one to cast judgment on others makes you immune to being judged yourself. But it doesn’t work that way. You are being judged for your support for the real genocidal monsters of the world.
Mate. I know what genocide means. It’s not murder or slaughter, as bad as they are, it’s:
the deliberate and organized destruction of a racial or ethnic group, either in whole or in large part, by a government or its agents.
Stray bullets and shrapnel? TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DEAD, you fuck. One in TEN Palestinians in Gaza have been murdered by the Israeli state.
It’s you who is being judged for your support of genocidal monsters. I’m not on here arguing for Hamas. Fuck Hamas. You are on here arguing for Israel.
That is not known. It is known that the IDF shot at many of their civillians in Hamas captivity either with complete disregard for what they are shooting, or deliberately to avoid them being used as bargaining in hostage dealy.
The exact numbers however are unknown and before there can be an independent investigation, the extent will never be published. I wouldnt be suprised if the IDF and Israeli government have a good idea of the numbers, but they for sure will try to bury them.
I know theres no proof yet but to me, Hamas had good reason to keep their hostages alive, they also thought it would help keep themselves alive. Israel was the one who wanted the hostages dead rather than hostages.
Just based on incentives alone, not even considering the difference in firepower, I’d say its more likely hostages were killed by IDF than Hamas.
Damn, full support for a genocide that is unpopular with their own electorate, and this is the thanks they get? If you’re willing to lose due to principles, at least make them good principles.
It’s not genocide, it’s ethnic cleansing/stealing land. If all the Palestinians left for some place else, Israel would not pursue them to exterminate them, they’d just steal their land. It’s Palestinian land that Israel is stealing. The Palestinians are just in the way.
With all the good will in the world, my friend, you need to look up the definitions of genocide. Pursuing a population to exterminate then is NOT a prerequisite for genocide.
Lmfao THAT’S GENOCIDE DOPEY
what’s the point of this argument even if you’re right? fuck what Israel is actually doing, I don’t care what it’s called. Fuck them
You just described a genocide, like one of the plain text definitions of a genocide. Mass murdering a group of people to steal their land.
Doesn’t matter that you’ve made up a hypothetical fantasy scenario where they aren’t caged in cornered, but have free movement, it’s still a genocide.
Oh, and they aren’t free to leave, they are caged and cornered.
So you’re wrong, and you’re wrong again.
The Palestinians are not an ethnic group. They are people who live in Palestine, and are from many ethnicities and religious professions. They are being murdered because of where they live, not technically because of their ethnicity. If they all left of their own accord, Israel would not pursue them to murder them. Israel is murdering them to steal their land. Hence not genocide.
Did you really just say that if the indigenous inhabitants simply left their homes and wandered into the desert, then Israel wouldn’t be forced to commit a genocide?
What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I even touch on “Forced to commit genocide”? So shut the fuck up. The Israeli’s are choosing to do this. The Israeli intent is to chase non-Jews out of the land they want to steal. Israel is committing a different crime against humanity other than genocide. The Israelis are choosing to commit ethnic cleansing. The ethnicity of the people in Gaza who aren’t Jewish doesn’t matter to the Israelis. They just want them gone, chased out or murdered, no matter what their ethnicity or faith if they aren’t Jewish. It doesn’t make any difference to Bibi. And as long as that’s what Israel is doing, those who supply the means to Israel need to stop providing those means.
By what definition
Wiki
Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people.[a][2]
Dictionary
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
Cambridge dictionary
genocide noun [ C or U ] UK /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ US /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ Add to word list the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, by killing people or by other methods:
So by what definition do you add ‘land’.
By what rationale do you group people who live in Palestine together as a particular group- because they aren’t. Israel wants Gaza, and they want everyone there who’s not an Israeli gone. Either chased out or murdered. It’s not like the extermination of certain Native peoples carried out by the US government in the 1800’s where they were obliterated for what they were.
Cases of genocide brought before the ICJ aren’t based on Merriam-Webster, or the Cambridge Dictionary…
They use ratified international agreements, such as the CPPCG
After you said ‘plain text definition’. Now you’ve moved the goal post to a treaty.
Yes, the plain text of the international treaties that define genocide…
The United states holocaust museum has a pretty good ‘plain text’ definition of genocide, which perfectly captures what the Israelis are trying to do to the Palestinians as genocide.
The article also has some useful ‘plain text’ descriptions of ethnic cleansing, crimes against humanity, mass atrocities, mass killing and war crimes.
https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/definitions
The astute reader will notice that the Israelis are actually guilty of all of these mass atrocities as part of their attempts to genocide the Palestinians.
The acts are:
Except for perhaps the last point, there’s no person that could argue that Israel has not perpetrated these acts against the Palestinians.
All that leaves then is the intent aspect of genocide.
The Israelis are very open about their desire to destroy Palestine. Law4palestine has a collection for quotes from current and former legislators which capture their genocidal intent:
https://law4palestine.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/1-Database-of-Israeli-Incitement-to-Genocide-15th-January-2024-DECISION-MAKERS.pdf
https://law4palestine.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2-Database-of-Israeli-Incitement-to-Genocide-15th-January-2024-LEGISLATORS.pdf
If you don’t feel like reading through that, here’s an excellent summary of other evidence of Israel’s genocidal intent from Jewish Currents:
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
*Edit: added the link to the legislators list. Left the decision makers list as it just serves to hammer the point home
Served. Absolutely served.
Out in the real world, Hamas committed genocide on October 7. Israel is in Gaza in an attempt to destroy Hamas and free the hostages that were taken on that day.
“Genocide Joe” is just a meme spread by internet cranks that’s a very tiny minority of voters, insignificant compared to the number of voters that know the difference between a war and a genocide.
Damn this guy is pro-genocide wtf
Hamas committed genocide on October 7. They should be destroyed for that crime. You’re pro-genocide because you want Hamas given a pass for their genocide.
what’s it like having other people chew your food for you
Who’s chewing for who now
Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Al-Regeb also prayed for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.”
Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad on October 24, 2023: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land […] because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation.” (October 24, 2023, LBC TV (Lebanon)). He also vowed to repeat the October 7 attacks “time and again until Israel is annihilated,” and expressing a desire to “sacrifice martyrs” (referring to Gazan civilians) for Hamas’ ideological aim of destroying Israel.
Hamas senior leader Khaled Mashal stated on October 19, 2023 that he views the current loss of civilian life in Gaza – brought about by Hamas’ strategy of using human shields – as essential: “No nation is liberated without sacrifices… In all wars, there are some civilian victims. We are not responsible for them.” Hamas senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, commenting on the loss of civilian life in Gaza on October 26, 2023: “The blood of the women, children and elderly […] we are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit.”
Making genocidal statements isn’t the same thing as committing a genocide, ya dingus.
imagine putting so much effort into being wrong when that effort could go to learning
Oh look. It’s the inner monologue of every last centrist.
Buddy I don’t think you know the meaning of genocide if you think Oct 7 was one. Or not happening now
Haha Hamas did a one day genocide gang /s
fuck off smfh
They’ve been firing rockets at Israeli population centers for more than a decade. Just because Hamas has shit rockets and Israel has invested billions in protecting their people from them doesn’t mean Hamas hasn’t been trying to kill as many Israelis as they can. And on one day Israel’s defenses against Hamas slipped up and we saw the result.
how do you feel that bibi funded Hamas and took moves to make that situation the case and also what about the fact Gaza is an open air prison? any thoughts on that?
Weirdo conspiracy theory. People thinking that because Israel negotiated with Hamas in the past, that constitutes “funding them”. This is actually an argument against Israel negotiating with Hamas for a ceasefire right now if you apply critical thinking to this weirdo narrative.
October 7 proved the necessity of building a fence to try to prevent Hamas from doing cross border raids and also proved the necessity of a blockade to prevent them from getting weapons. Obviously the fence wasn’t effective, but arguing against efforts to prevent Hamas from crossing into Israel and killing people is not something any rational person would continue to do. But that’s the nature of all of this isn’t it? You’re indoctrinated into repeating the same slogans over and over again, and even when it becomes obvious that the slogan makes no sense anymore, you continue repeating it because you’re unable to think about the meaning behind the words and are unable to adapt to any change in the situation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/GAZA-WALL-.jpg
“fence”
It’s an open air prison. It is an apartheid state. That “fence” and the laws around it are meant to keep people in, not out.
What the fuck are you talking about? Lmfao A Wikipedia page and a photo just shit on everything you said.
Israel’s “attempt to destroy Hamas” has killed tens of thousands of children. Stop apologising for genocide. You cunt.
Hamas committed genocide. Y’all are trying to use the bullshit “both sides” strategy on actual genocide to to give cover for the monsters in Hamas. You’re only fooling yourselves with this bullshit, society is rightly ignoring you for your disgusting behavior to get internet points by exploiting the suffering of real people.
If you actually cared about Palestinians you’d be demanding Hamas release the hostages. But you don’t want that to happen because you get sick entertainment from the suffering of Palestinians that Hamas provides to you by continuing with their war crimes. You’re ghouls.
No they didn’t. They committed atrocious war crimes, but not genocide. Israel committed genocide.
There’s no both sides to this, only the oppressor, Israel, creating an environment where Hamas is inévitable.
If you really cared about Palestinians you’d stop dropping tower blocks on their children.
Hamas went into villages and everyone they couldn’t carry back to their underground lairs they butchered. Murdered women and children. This wasn’t people catching stray bullets from a firefight or getting some shrapnel from a nearby explosion. This was monsters beheading people and desecrating their corpses. Playing with the decapitated heads of their victims because they were told to by their superiors.
Any why? Because they weren’t of the ethnicity and religious group that Hamas thinks should be living in the area.
That’s genocide. The only reason the number killed wasn’t hire was because Hamas didn’t have the capability of killing more. The willingness to do it is most certainly there.
And this wasn’t planned by some rogue splinter of Hamas. This was planned and executed by Yahya Sinwar, the current leader of Hamas. He and the rest of Hamas need to be brought to justice. If that’s not possible they need to be killed. They are genocidal monsters and should not be allowed to continue existing on this planet.
To you the word genocide is just a propaganda tool. You don’t know what it means to actually be against genocide. And because of your lack of concern over an actual genocide occurring, you’ve strayed to be on the same side as genocidal monsters. Making excuses for them, spreading their propaganda for them. Carrying water for genocidal monsters.
You are pro-genocide, whether you know it or not. You may feel that by being the first one to cast judgment on others makes you immune to being judged yourself. But it doesn’t work that way. You are being judged for your support for the real genocidal monsters of the world.
Mate. I know what genocide means. It’s not murder or slaughter, as bad as they are, it’s:
Stray bullets and shrapnel? TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DEAD, you fuck. One in TEN Palestinians in Gaza have been murdered by the Israeli state.
It’s you who is being judged for your support of genocidal monsters. I’m not on here arguing for Hamas. Fuck Hamas. You are on here arguing for Israel.
Let’s not forget they are trying to starve the people of Gaza to death.
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The IDF killed more Israeli civilians than Hamas did on that day. They do not care about their people when it comes to being hostages.
That is not known. It is known that the IDF shot at many of their civillians in Hamas captivity either with complete disregard for what they are shooting, or deliberately to avoid them being used as bargaining in hostage dealy.
The exact numbers however are unknown and before there can be an independent investigation, the extent will never be published. I wouldnt be suprised if the IDF and Israeli government have a good idea of the numbers, but they for sure will try to bury them.
I know theres no proof yet but to me, Hamas had good reason to keep their hostages alive, they also thought it would help keep themselves alive. Israel was the one who wanted the hostages dead rather than hostages.
Just based on incentives alone, not even considering the difference in firepower, I’d say its more likely hostages were killed by IDF than Hamas.