I’m well aware that liberal is an international term.
However, it is used very differently in the US to everywhere else. In the US, liberal is used to pretty much mean “left wing” or “relating to the Democrat party”.
People in the US wouldn’t describe an expansion in gun rights as something the libs would want, for example.
Nor would people in the US agree that liberal people want more freedoms for businesses.
But those are parts of liberal ideology elsewhere.
And I said fuck off with your Ukraine Nazi bullshit. Stop parroting Russian propaganda, gimboid.
I’m well aware that liberalism is an international term.
Yet you assumed I made a US-specific reference when I did in no way do so.
However, it is used very differently in the US to everywhere else. In the US, liberal is used to pretty much mean “left wing” or “relating to the Democrat party”.
Yes I know. I was not using it in that sense.
And I said fuck off with your Ukraine Nazi bullshit. Stop parroting Russian propaganda, gimboid.
It is not bullshit. There are and have been Ukrainian Mazis and liberals falling over themselves to repeat their racist and chauvinist talking points.
There is literally nowhere on planet earth where humans live in any large number where you will not find Nazis.
Claiming that Ukraine is rife with it in any meaningful sense is very much a Russian talking point, and even one of the defenses given by Russia in starting their war/genocide.
Stop repeating Russian propaganda.
Honestly, what is it with lemmy.ml and people who love Russia?
I was not. Please do your best to participate in good faith and not make things up, let alone make them up and then repeatedly assert them based on nothing.
There is literally nowhere on planet earth where humans live in any large number where you will not find Nazis.
That is true, but also does not contradict anything I have said, nor does it excuse those who repeat their racist and chauvinist talking points.
Claiming that Ukraine is rife with it in any meaningful sense
I haven’t said anything like this. That is your insertion.
Stop repeating Russian propaganda.
Please stop lying about what I have said.
Honestly, what is it with lemmy.ml and people who love Russia?
It’s not me, it is you doing a poor job at wrestling with your cognitive dissonance. My mere mention of Russophobia from liberals, borrowed from Ukrainian Nazis, resulted in you inventing entire lines of thought and arguments that were not there rather than directly engaging with the facts if the matter. This is defensive behavior intended to avoid what I said and return to an arena where you feel more comfortable.
Not ironically, that arena is one where you feel comfortable being against Russia, lmao.
Yawn. Stop repeating the propaganda of a murderous dictatorship that has invaded their neighbour and is committing a genocide and mass rape as we speak.
Russia is more of an oligarchy, like a huge number of countries that are not the current Object of Hate. Russia is not committing a genocide, that is absurd. It is a conventional modern war, which is horrific enough on its own. The US and Israel are committing genocide, however. The US is doing two at once, actually. Re: mass rape, there is little to no evidence of anything systemic, which I believe is what this would have to mean. But again, war is horrific, and rape is a common wrapon of war. No armies of Western states are innocent of this.
Anyways I am getting tripped up in your internalized propaganda. What propaganda am I repeating, exactly, and how is it false?
The Nazis are the ones trying to do their own little Anschluss.
The Nazis are the people with Black Sun tats normalizing racial slurs and shelling civilian areas.
Russia is run by its major capitalists. They just have a team captain for the political sphere.
Russia absolutely is committing genocide, as per the UN’s definition.
It is not, per the UN’s definition. Feel free to explain your rationale.
There absolutely is evidence of large-scale rape. An alarming amount of it directed at children too.
Show yiur evidence of systemic mass rape. I have never seen anything but racist rumors from propagandists.
But I guess that probably gives you warm fuzzy feelings.
Please do your best to engage in good faith and not lie about me.
Again with the whataboutism
I think you have found your “get-out-of-thinkkng-free” card. You seem positively delighted at the prospect of not having to actually contend with the realities presented.
So Russia.
Nopez that was Kyiv for a decade via its committed fascistic shock troops. Do you know where Right Sector went after Euromaidan?
? When I said anything about facism? About any country? When I defend anybody? When I said any Russian propaganda? You just put words in my mouth because I’m from lemmy.ml. Get a life.
Liberalism is primarily an international term. You are very confused if you think it is just about US “left” politics.
And I said that there are Ukrainian Nazis whose racism is repeated by liberals. This is a simple fact.
this propaganda is no longer any good bro… 2014-22, it was decent engagement slop for the westoid but it don’t work. why are y’all still using it?
Because liberals repeated and repeat the talking points of Ukrainian Nazis.
You seem to be under the midapprheen that they either didn’t exist or went away. That would be incorrect.
i trust you bro
No need for trust, it is public record
Because it is established fact, as even Western mainstream media has reported.
I’m well aware that liberal is an international term.
However, it is used very differently in the US to everywhere else. In the US, liberal is used to pretty much mean “left wing” or “relating to the Democrat party”.
People in the US wouldn’t describe an expansion in gun rights as something the libs would want, for example.
Nor would people in the US agree that liberal people want more freedoms for businesses.
But those are parts of liberal ideology elsewhere.
And I said fuck off with your Ukraine Nazi bullshit. Stop parroting Russian propaganda, gimboid.
Yet you assumed I made a US-specific reference when I did in no way do so.
Yes I know. I was not using it in that sense.
It is not bullshit. There are and have been Ukrainian Mazis and liberals falling over themselves to repeat their racist and chauvinist talking points.
You absolutely were using it in that sense.
There is literally nowhere on planet earth where humans live in any large number where you will not find Nazis.
Claiming that Ukraine is rife with it in any meaningful sense is very much a Russian talking point, and even one of the defenses given by Russia in starting their war/genocide.
Stop repeating Russian propaganda.
Honestly, what is it with lemmy.ml and people who love Russia?
I was not. Please do your best to participate in good faith and not make things up, let alone make them up and then repeatedly assert them based on nothing.
That is true, but also does not contradict anything I have said, nor does it excuse those who repeat their racist and chauvinist talking points.
I haven’t said anything like this. That is your insertion.
Please stop lying about what I have said.
It’s not me, it is you doing a poor job at wrestling with your cognitive dissonance. My mere mention of Russophobia from liberals, borrowed from Ukrainian Nazis, resulted in you inventing entire lines of thought and arguments that were not there rather than directly engaging with the facts if the matter. This is defensive behavior intended to avoid what I said and return to an arena where you feel more comfortable.
Not ironically, that arena is one where you feel comfortable being against Russia, lmao.
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Yes, liberals are often Russophobic nowadays.
Russia is more of an oligarchy, like a huge number of countries that are not the current Object of Hate. Russia is not committing a genocide, that is absurd. It is a conventional modern war, which is horrific enough on its own. The US and Israel are committing genocide, however. The US is doing two at once, actually. Re: mass rape, there is little to no evidence of anything systemic, which I believe is what this would have to mean. But again, war is horrific, and rape is a common wrapon of war. No armies of Western states are innocent of this.
Anyways I am getting tripped up in your internalized propaganda. What propaganda am I repeating, exactly, and how is it false?
The Nazis are the people with Black Sun tats normalizing racial slurs and shelling civilian areas.
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Russia is run by its major capitalists. They just have a team captain for the political sphere.
It is not, per the UN’s definition. Feel free to explain your rationale.
Show yiur evidence of systemic mass rape. I have never seen anything but racist rumors from propagandists.
Please do your best to engage in good faith and not lie about me.
I think you have found your “get-out-of-thinkkng-free” card. You seem positively delighted at the prospect of not having to actually contend with the realities presented.
Nopez that was Kyiv for a decade via its committed fascistic shock troops. Do you know where Right Sector went after Euromaidan?
When he says “Liberals love collective punishment…” he is not saying left wing, he is saying loudly right wing.
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Dude I’m not endorsing his comment, I’m saying what he means with “Liberals”
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? When I said anything about facism? About any country? When I defend anybody? When I said any Russian propaganda? You just put words in my mouth because I’m from lemmy.ml. Get a life.