These might be the good old days. Go outside, feel the grass, say wassup to your neighbors,… whatever you do that means community, because sh*t might get bad for a while.
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Ok everyone chill. Yeah, it sucks. But we kinda foresaw this ever since Biden decided to run again. Take a deep breath, think about it more later. The worst thing is to be angry instead of smart. Remember George Floyd. Remember specifically how everyone got angry and did dumb things about it, and today efforts at police reform are actually in a worse place than they were before he was murdered on video.
Think about ways to counter Trump that will be more effective and less just expressions of rage. I think the biggest problem is the media that really plays to Trump’s reality TV-style politics. It’s not enough to wine that the voters are too stupid, but what do we do about it?
Every federal judge and probably the supreme Court for the rest of our lives is going to be wholly owned by the dictatorship. Checks and balances are essentially broken at this point in the president can do whatever he wants with impunity. What about to hit a massive recession. What smart thing do you think were going to do about it?
What we often call “the government” is actually many separate systems each with several moving parts. One man doesn’t control it, no matter what sentences are written on what pieces of paper. Trump has all the corruption he needs, but he’s not smart enough to know what he’s doing.
So to act like there’s no hope is just way too defeatist. Trump is gonna fail, and we can exploit those failures. But the last time we didn’t react to his failures correctly, because of course he just won again after what most historians consider the worst presidency in American history. So the first smart thing we can do is ask where the anti Trump messaging and media failed. And actually try to answer that question.
Because we did such a good job of that in his last presidency and he wasn’t a god king yet. /s
the president can do whatever he wants with impunity.
I’m still hoping Biden uses that to finish Trump. That will lead surely you a civil war, but that’s a price I’m willing to pay as somebody who doesn’t live in the US.
Only half /s
They did make a solid attempt at making coups legal.
There’s simply no way, the Democrats are going to look at the voting results and go this is what was legitimately voted for let it happen.
What do you think they’ll do? In court they won’t change anything, and rednecks are hard thinking they get to fire democrats.
What do you think they’ll do? I
I have no idea what you’re saying here, like which they? Why is there court involved? They will eventually push out democrats and there may be blood.
My bad, I thought you said the democrats were not going to let it be.
fair :)
Had us in the first half, not gonna lie. LOL
massive recession. What smart thing do you think were going to do about it?
I remember 2008 like yesterday. “Nobody hiring. Mass layoffs. No jobs.”, and then it seems like that same cycle has just been on regular repeat the rest of our lives up to this point. (Meanwhile, record profits because of course!)
This is what I really worry about. I’m still trying but still on the same treadmill. I’m not a super genius or a heartless grifter, so I don’t really know if I can be clever enough for us to get through this… And that scares the crap out of me.
You don’t need to be faster than the bear, you just need to be faster than the other slowest campers.
Health care and small ticket entertainment industries are more recession-proof than new car sales and home sales.
Stay away from big public corporations that are going to fire a bunch of people as soon as the stocks dip a few percent.
Make sure your boss knows about the family you’re supporting, but in a friendly, proud way If you have kids make sure their pictures are on your desk
If you’re in some field where there’s new and different technology around it’s not a bad thing to brush up continue education , Even if it’s just something as simple as watching YouTube videos and talking with your boss about it, especially if it’s something they mention that they have an interest in.
I know being a bootlicker is terribly out of fashion, but, within reason, try to make yourself the most useful cog you can be. Don’t kill yourself bending over, don’t just let them take a wild advantage of you, But try to make sure that in your boss’s mind that there are people the team who are more replaceable than you are.
With any luck we won’t have to endure a pandemic at the same time
None of this in the end may help, it’s merely suggestions to help you position yourself.
It’s not enough to wine that the voters are too stupid,
this is ultimately the problem though. The voter base is fucking retarded, and it’s fuelled by a massive propaganda machine. There is literally nothing we can do here.
ROFL. George Floyd is one of the few good examples of popular mobilisation in the US and you’re using it somehow as a point of how it’s bad to protest???
What did the mobilization accomplish? I watched as police reform in my area, which seemed on the path to success pre-George Floyd, was killed off in a backlash to the protests and riots. Chauvin was convicted not on the protests, but because of the people who stood there and got the video. Beyond that, I can’t see a single point of lasting success for BLM. By embracing inflammatory but attention grabbing messaging like ACAB and defund the police, they got attention alright, but that attention ended up painting the whole police reform movement as a bunch of rabid psychos.
See this article for a more well researched take on what I’m saying. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-views-on-black-lives-matter-have-changed-and-why-that-makes-police-reform-so-hard/
So this is how a democracy dies…it votes for its own death.
i love you
This isn’t a shower thought. This is propaganda.
Chilling and saying hi to your neighbour is propaganda??
No, the title is. Pure fearmongering.
Explain like I’m five.
Man say thing to make you scared for no reason.
You don’t have a lot of confidence in five year olds
as an european, i am watching in absolute shock. i really dont understand how HALF the USA can still vote for this Chicken Nugget of a person.
Americans love chicken nuggets, that is why
Some people only have information from one side of the story. If Trump wins, he will likely try to mimic what both Putin and Orbán did with the media.
While you’re mostly right, it isn’t really half because we have this fun thing called the electoral college, that likes to make Republicans win.
It’s not even close to half. Republicans are a quarter to a third of the country.
It’s voter suppression and Democrats being the biggest possible fuckups they could be at every fucking opportunity.
Well and so far the popular vote is more red then blue. I think the USA will get the government the voters deserve.
Here’s hoping the rest of the world can not get pulled down.
I’m someone smack in the middle of a liberal city in an always blue state, I don’t know what else there is for me to do. I’ve attempted helping educate and getting people to vote in other states who normally choose not to, I’ve voted in every election down to local boards and try to know who I’m voting for. Locally, we had a lot of successes so far this election in our state…but that won’t help much if, y’know, fascism.
People turn fascist when they’re desperate and angry, same as always. So when people experience economic hardship they look for somone to blame, often immigrants. So we call them racists, and I guess that’s true, but it comes from something else; economic inequality.
In Europe we do the same thing, in the French elections the rural population voted overwhelmingly for the fascists - here in brown.
In the German elections, the poorer former East-German provinces also supported the fascist AfD, here shown in the darker colours.
Even in Denmark, where I live, the more right-wing and extremist parties are popular in the southern, western, and northern parst of the country - the poorer rural areas, who’s seen their jobs disappear, their shops close, and their income stall even as the country as a whole gets richer.
So the challenge of liberal democracy is clear; show the population outside the cities that they, too, can get their piece of the pie. If we cannot solve that, then we’ll see more countries turn fascist in the next decade.
Jesus, been scrolling for hours and finally someone has said it. It’s why someone like Bernie trended so well and actually had a chance if the DNC would’ve ran him in 2016. He wanted to raise EVERYONE up, regardless of any identity or ideology. He came with receipts and actual plans that he non-stopped harped on every second he had a mic in front of him. This election cycle I didn’t hear a single actual legislative plan fleshed out like they did with the healthcare for all in 2016 debates. You’re not gonna win a mud-slinging contest of “he said, she said” when people just don’t care.
A lot of people (white and/or rich mostly) also know that they have benefited from racial discrimination and opportunities stolen from other people. They saw their parents buying homes, getting loans and jobs. They vaguely heard how difficult it was for POC or displaced individuals, they don’t want the system turning on them. In their bleak futurism that the right-wing paints, we will all be treated equally so everyone is a target. Instead of targeting voters concerns in an economical way, they went with a polisci approach like Harris’s horrible housing innovative.
Harris proposes to provide $25,000 down-payment assistance to first-time homebuyers who have paid rent on time for two years, with more generous support for qualifying first-generation homeowners. … The proposal stems from an idea the Biden-Harris administration presented earlier this year, which called on Congress to implement $25,000 in down-payment assistance exclusively for 400,000 first-generation buyers, or first-time buyers whose parents weren’t homeowners, and a $10,000 tax credit for first-time buyers.
You’re parents had a shack? sorry. Get no economical support from parents but they effect your government support? sorry. Congress didn’t pass it? sorry. We’ve decided to change the definition of a “starter-home”. Sorry.
The piece of the pie was a perfect way to put it, I’ve seen so many shit takes from everyone on here I’m flabbergasted. From people “getting popcorn to watch everyone get their just desserts” to “maybe we shouldn’t of ran a woman-POC this election cycle”.
Not sure what to tell you, I am in another nation but a similar situation. The state of things is now to the point media is untrusted, nationalism is both here and missing, while people are angry but happy to blame the “other guys”.
My ultimate fear is we’re too late and this is a global trend, but hopefully we can break through it. (We as in humanity, my team kinda dropped the ball on this one it’s looking) We need to get people educated and working towards change instead of casting blame on the “other guys” like you said. Right now though it’s hard not to feel lost knowing my loved ones and my rights and safety is at stake. I hope things look up for you and your loved ones.
Both of our nations really need to have some electoral reform.
Best we can do it seems is an “I voted” sticker.
You could watch the reactionism ramp up as they slipped into the minority during Clinton. White men struggling to deal with the loss of their relevance has basically been the story of American politics since.
American propaganda is wild.
Its mostly just the echo chamber. But its quite sad in here for sure.
Edit: Hilarious that you were being upvoted until my comment gave more context to what you meant. Mindless lemmings.
America thought they had the funniest joke on the planet in 2016 and had to say it again.
Welp time to use some Elon and Trump filters in Lemmy, especially Elon.
Nope we’re in those times right now.
Then you’re showing your privilege, and clearly haven’t seen the thousands of images and videos of shredded children coming out of Palestine for the past year.
Yeah, and I plan to vote against Netanyahu’s buddy who keeps saying he should do “whatever it takes to finish the job”. Stop pretending that a Trump presidency will be better for Palestine. Literally everyone who actually cares about Palestinians in good faith knows that a vote for Harris is a vote for harm reduction.
You’re showing your privilege here by admitting you aren’t scared of Trump’s plans, which involves oppressing millions of people, because you’re confident you’re not one of the groups he plans to oppress.
Cope lol. Harris has consistently shown her message to be “fuck Palestine”. You call it a harm reduction, yet how are you going to explain the harm already done, and the point of harm reduction? Is Israel going to genocide less-lightly? Kill all the people in Palestine a little bit slower? What’s the difference in the end, there is absolutely none.
Harris polls this shittily because of Palestine and going against what people want. That’s why suddenly 2 days before the election the messaging changed to “we love Palestine we will end the war really quickly!”.
The reality is you cannot run a campaign on “but Trump worse!”. You need something that makes you different, you need policy. That’s why Kamala’s CNN Town Hall was such a huge failure - the only thing she talked about is how she isn’t Trump. Acting as if “people are stupid if they don’t vote, vote 3rd party or vote Trump” is a valid statement only shows the blindness of what’s actually happening. And what’s happening is if you only care about Palestine / Middle East, both candidates will happily stand by and letting it burn.
Remember, this all could stop immediately using one phone call to Netanyahu. We know that, because things like this stopped immediately after such phonecalls. But there needs to be a political will to do that, and there is none right now, or in the future.
A blank check is a blank check. Doesn’t matter if it comes from someone who claims they do it reluctantly, or someone who does it enthusiastically.
And if that is the only point worth voting for then so be it, but pretty sure there are vastly different stances on other things that should change your mind.
I vote based on their records. Not their promises. Their actual policies are remarkably similar.
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The still living Palestinian children constantly go online to thank people for their vocal support, and the PFLP has asked Americans to boycott the Dems and GOP.
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I’ll take the one whose “record” doesn’t include felony convictions.
You have to qualify it with “convictions,” because Harris illegally withheld evidence from defendants in multiple instances, and has openly declared her intent to continue arming the genocide (which is a felony).
I’m not sure ‘I’m voting for the person who got away with it’ is a strong endorsement.
“I’m voting for rapist” is a pretty shit message.
Okay, so if your view is that Democrats and Republicans are the same on this issue, then you’re going to need to vote based on something other than this issue.
So, aside from Gaza which you believe they are equal on, why do you prefer Trump over Harris? Do you support his campaign promises over her’s?
Not if you’re a wage earner, sadly.
Its 7 minutes until polls close where I am. I voted absentee but still thinking of everyone that still needs to vote
So you voted Trump then.
Edit: clearly not what I assumed absentee voting is. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absentee_ballot
What? You know how absentee voting works right?
Ah, clearly not what I thought then. Please explain! 😃
It’s a mail-in ballot
Yer I read. It goes by another name in the UK.
NYT is calling it for Trump. America as we know it, may be over.
The war in Ukraine is about to end, with Russia probably getting everything they want, NATO might disband, China likely takes Taiwan, 100 years of authoritarianism and tyranny may be upon us after Trump truly consolidates powers, and nukes the Federal government.
I fucking wish I was being hyperbolic.
Nah, we’re gonna balkanize sooner or later. Economy is fucked beyond fucked. (Thank you Reagan) It won’t be able to keep going. Especially not with republicans at the tiller. The end of the US will be the same as every other empire. But with nukes.
Why Reagan? Who moved all the manufacturing to china and built up China?
Stagnant wages, weakened unions, at-will employment, low corporate taxes, etc. All Reaganomics. Supply side economics. Basically destroyed the economic powerhouse that won the Cold War. It’s still a goliath, but instead of an immovable industrial bullwark its all debt driven gambling now. Speculation and financialization.
And who moved shit to China so it’s now much worse? Bill Clinton.
And now not even US/EU cars are competitive anymore. Boeing is in decline. Intel is dying.
Go into any store - nothing made in US anymore.Accept responsibility - it’s a Democrat bill Clinton doing
Both Clinton and Reagan were economic neoliberals. It is neoliberal policy that has fucked us.
100 years of tyranny is hyperbolic. Climate change will kill us before then
I like the part about Ukraine. Also don’t care about Taiwan.
But kinda wish democracy maintains in us.You won’t care about Taiwan until your iPhone costs $3000, then you might realize it was worth defending
I don’t use Phones. Besides - they just gonna move chip making to us in that case.
They’ve been trying to move chip fabricators to the US for decades. The education system is shit here and we don’t have the talent. Also it’s really difficult to get the fabricators right and built for a reasonable cost. So yeah. Your non-iphone is gonna be pricey.
i mean, we’re literally building fabs under the CHIPS act right now.
Remember when the US government gave the telecoms billions to build gigabit internet infrastructure nationwide and they fuckin just didn’t do it?
Pepperidge Farm remembers. Show me a working fab as a result of that act after Trump and Co manage to not fuck it up and then your comment might have some merit. Note: the coming brain drain will not be kind to the USA.
Remember when the US government gave the telecoms billions to build gigabit internet infrastructure nationwide and they fuckin just didn’t do it?
me too, i also remember in 1930, when the great depression happened. I don’t see the relevance here though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act#Impact
shit in r&d is not like throwing money at big corpo and hoping they do what you want. If you don’t turn out results in r&d, it’s a dead field.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act#Project_announcements
plenty of project announcements, idk if you think the government can’t like, build buildings or something, even though they can make the interstate highway system. But in defense of the CHIPS, building fabs is really fucking hard, costs billions of dollars, and takes many, many years.
The CHIPS act? You mean one of the things the Biden admin bragged about?
Good thing the incoming administration isn’t petty enough to nuke anything associated with the previous administration…
You mean one of the things the Biden admin bragged about?
yeah.
Good thing the incoming administration isn’t petty enough to nuke anything associated with the previous administration…
that would be unfortunate.
Whatever device you use to post this message is impacted.
Most American comment, talk about the end of democracy for millions of people and death of thousands, worry about the price of their iphone
America as we know it, may be over
Stop. I can only get so hard
The war in Ukraine is about to end
Damn, if only we had listened to the people calling for a negotiated peace since the first moment instead of calling them Putin bots…
NATO might disband
As a western European, I fucking wish, but you’re too hopeful for that. NATO is exclusively a force for evil, and the only interventions that it’s carried out are the bombing of Yugoslavia and the bombing of Libya, the latter resulting in a decade of civil wars that destroyed the formerly most prosperous country in Africa. Extraofficially (not technically NATO), also the invasion of Iraq. How is literally any of that good.
100 years of authoritarianism
The US has never been anything different from that. It’s based on the genocide of natives, on slavery of imported Africans, and the decisions made at the government are consistently against the will and the interests of the majority.
Down with the US empire
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Yea, i guess the Budapest Memorandum meant nothing huh? Thank you “yankstupids” what an insightful
If Trump loses there are the next two months of wondering how many people will die around the inauguration, then the next two years of wondering what the project 2027 people are going to do, then…
The only way to stop this is to fix the US system. Fix the courts. Fix the elections. Fix gerrymandering. Fix the right wing control of the media. Fix the lies from the “news”.
A law that said the press can not be for-profit, would never happen, but would probably help
Thank Reagan. He ended the Fairness Doctrine. Which is the only reason Trumpism ever happened.
Gerrymandering is a complicated one : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwBslntC3xg
Only in the United States. Canada solved the problem years ago.
I’m not sure there is a perfectly solution. Mapmen cover it very well (and it’s funny as always).
Canada has an independent electoral commision that sets electoral boundaries, mostly on geographic borders, like county lines. My electoral district, for example, is Leed, the Grenville, the Thousand Islands, and Rideau Lakes and encompases those four geographic districts. It can also be done by a computer using maximum n-sided polygons with equal populations.
You didn’t MapMen. 😃 You can’t just do it on population numbers because minorities can end up completely unrepresented. You have to include more factors than just population numbers. But it certainty should be kept apart from politicians, and it be criminal for them to rig it…
As a Canadian I always forget to take the racist factor into account.
