An immigration crackdown appears imminent in a second Trump administration at a time when an APVoteCast survey shows the president-elect’s supporters largely focused on immigration and inflation.
Part of me thinks that this proposal will end up the same as his “Wall” that Mexico was going to pay for. Either incompetence or apathy will make this part of his proposal quietly go away. There will be some token deportations of illegals that were going to be deported anyways, but they’ll make a bigger deal about it, then it’ll just sort of slink away and somehow not be as big of a problem as it was made out to be for the past year or so.
Or we go full-scale with the concentration camps. It’s kind of a toss-up at this point. The only thing working in our favor is Trump’s general incompetence and chaotic headspace, he’s his own biggest enemy sometimes.
This is where I think it will end up. I am optimistic that there will be no camps, because Congress will refuse to fund them. There will be increased deportations though, and not just of illegals. Anyone who is not a citizen but here legally needs to rethink why they are here, immediately. Blue states may throw roadblocks up, but Red states will gladly give them the boot.
There is a narrow way this can backfire, though. Let’s say I am right, and deportations and reverse migrations happen, but mainly in the red states. Blue states welcome the legal immigrants in, smuggle the illegals and DREAMers in a new Underground Railroad, and rebuff the Feds when they come for them, tieing up in the courts. Then, the Democrats figure it out and put up a candidate who can win against the MAGA candidate in 2028.
Guess what? That means that Democratic President runs the census, which is supposed (by the Constitution) to enumerate all persons residing in the US as of April 1, 2030, without regard to citizenship and immigration status. Republicans want to put a Citizenship question on that census, with the goal of eventually disqualifying non-citizens. But if that question is not there, and the full enumeration happens, those Red states will find they didn’t just get rid of immigrants, they got rid of House seats too, because that count is directly used to reapportion Congress.
There will be some token deportations of undocumented immigrants that were going to be deported anyways,
Fuck that bullshit, this makes as much sense as saying “well, there probably will be some summary executions of people charged with crimes, but they were gonna be found guilty anyway”.
The only thing working in our favor is Trump’s general incompetence and chaotic headspace, he’s his own biggest enemy sometimes.
He’s got fascist toadies who are very intent on this in his administration who will keep him organized and focused. What we have in our favor is hundreds of millions of Americans who think xenophobia is idiotic hateful bullshit.
I mean, tens of thousands (sometimes hundreds of thousands) of people are deported from the country every year already, whether Democrat or Republican presidents are in office, deportations (or “repatriations”) actually went up since 2020 when Biden took office. They’ve been on their way down though back to “normal” pre-Covid levels, but it’s hard to say what would happen under Trump. From 2016 to 2020 they actually fell to a low of 27k for at least a little bit.
I mean, tens of thousands (sometimes hundreds of thousands) of people are deported from the country every year already, whether Democrat or Republican presidents are in office,
Sure, I agree that the Democratic party’s collaboration with fascism has been awful. No time like the present to fight for a change in what we’ve been doing.
it’s hard to say what would happen under Trump.
We can make some pretty good guesses about what Republicans will attempt to do. Nothing’s guaranteed but it virtually inevitable they will try to make the situation worse.
From 2016 to 2020 they actually fell to a low of 27k for at least a little bit.
Feels like you’re cherry picking a bit here, but yeah - general Republican antipathy towards bureaucracies and bureaucratic administration sometimes makes them bad at being able to follow through on their plans to hurt people and that’s probably something we can try to take advantage of.
Part of me thinks that this proposal will end up the same as his “Wall” that Mexico was going to pay for. Either incompetence or apathy will make this part of his proposal quietly go away. There will be some token deportations of illegals that were going to be deported anyways, but they’ll make a bigger deal about it, then it’ll just sort of slink away and somehow not be as big of a problem as it was made out to be for the past year or so.
Or we go full-scale with the concentration camps. It’s kind of a toss-up at this point. The only thing working in our favor is Trump’s general incompetence and chaotic headspace, he’s his own biggest enemy sometimes.
This is where I think it will end up. I am optimistic that there will be no camps, because Congress will refuse to fund them. There will be increased deportations though, and not just of illegals. Anyone who is not a citizen but here legally needs to rethink why they are here, immediately. Blue states may throw roadblocks up, but Red states will gladly give them the boot.
There is a narrow way this can backfire, though. Let’s say I am right, and deportations and reverse migrations happen, but mainly in the red states. Blue states welcome the legal immigrants in, smuggle the illegals and DREAMers in a new Underground Railroad, and rebuff the Feds when they come for them, tieing up in the courts. Then, the Democrats figure it out and put up a candidate who can win against the MAGA candidate in 2028.
Guess what? That means that Democratic President runs the census, which is supposed (by the Constitution) to enumerate all persons residing in the US as of April 1, 2030, without regard to citizenship and immigration status. Republicans want to put a Citizenship question on that census, with the goal of eventually disqualifying non-citizens. But if that question is not there, and the full enumeration happens, those Red states will find they didn’t just get rid of immigrants, they got rid of House seats too, because that count is directly used to reapportion Congress.
Fuck that bullshit, this makes as much sense as saying “well, there probably will be some summary executions of people charged with crimes, but they were gonna be found guilty anyway”.
He’s got fascist toadies who are very intent on this in his administration who will keep him organized and focused. What we have in our favor is hundreds of millions of Americans who think xenophobia is idiotic hateful bullshit.
I mean, tens of thousands (sometimes hundreds of thousands) of people are deported from the country every year already, whether Democrat or Republican presidents are in office, deportations (or “repatriations”) actually went up since 2020 when Biden took office. They’ve been on their way down though back to “normal” pre-Covid levels, but it’s hard to say what would happen under Trump. From 2016 to 2020 they actually fell to a low of 27k for at least a little bit.
Sure, I agree that the Democratic party’s collaboration with fascism has been awful. No time like the present to fight for a change in what we’ve been doing.
We can make some pretty good guesses about what Republicans will attempt to do. Nothing’s guaranteed but it virtually inevitable they will try to make the situation worse.
Feels like you’re cherry picking a bit here, but yeah - general Republican antipathy towards bureaucracies and bureaucratic administration sometimes makes them bad at being able to follow through on their plans to hurt people and that’s probably something we can try to take advantage of.