Yeah, both sides amiright?

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        There is no reason to think Harris would’ve been any different than Biden on this issue. She repeatedly said she was in agreement with Biden on this, i don’t care if it was during an election people need more to go on than the hope that she really feels different inside

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          That’s cool because Trump stance was even more extreme, but since he’s saying insane things every minute, no one batted an eye. But Harris had to be perfect. How do you even reconcile what you say with the reality you have in front of you.

          Trump said in no uncertain terms that he would back Israel, he’s confirming it today and you still spout that “both sides” inane shit.

          What more do you need to admit that your point is bullshit.

          With Harris, there was a sliver of hope that there could be change and with Trump it was sure that Israel would do whatever it wanted. You look at that shitty situation all around, and you still think Harris was the worst choice versus the openly fascist dictator?

          There is no sane universe where you can defend that point of view, yet here we are.

          Palestine is fucked, good luck Ukraine, and fuck any American that isn’t white, Christian and straight I guess. But hey, both sides, right?

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            But Harris had to be perfect.

            You’re lying again. No one asked for perfect. They asked for neutral instead of aiding far right wing terrorists. All she had to do was follow our existing laws and stop the shipments. Its not a lot.

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              The second that Harris breathed wrong, news were all over it, while Trump had the “what he said might put him in trouble” while spouting racist and/or fascist non-stop.

              But now it’s futile. You got what you deserve.

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            But Harris had to be perfect.

            Your idea of perfect is to not be a genocide supporter?

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              Every fucking thing she said was scrutinized, analyzed and critiqued/mocked while Trump would say the heinous unhinged shit and no one batted an eye.

              That’s cool, you got what you want now and Gaza is becoming Israel new beach front. I hope you meet a Palestinian that got family killed someday and tell them that you didn’t support a genocide supporter. That’ll make them feel funny inside.

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                Every fucking thing she said was scrutinized […]

                You are saying this in response to people saying they wouldn’t tolerate genocide.

                That’s cool, you got what you want now and Gaza is becoming Israel new beach front.

                There have been no policy changes. This is your ghouls running the show, 13 months of unconditional support for genocide. If any part of “the electorate” owns this, it is yours. You did not step up and say, “no more, that is too far”.

                Though of course the party does not care about you and they are thr ones making these policy decisions with donor input.

                I hope you meet a Palestinian that got family killed someday and tell them that you didn’t support a genocide supporter.

                I already know many Palestinians that have lost family. I organize with some of them, their views are my views on this. You clearly aren’t embedded in this community because you assume everyone else is just as detached.

                That’ll make them feel funny inside.

                Palestinians are not your rhetorical toy to play with when you run out of ways to handle your cognitive dissonance for having sold your soul to support someone that lost anyways. Please take some time to do self-criticism now that you have objective proof that you were not being strategic or smart about this, as you clearly gave up on being morally correct.

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            I think many people felt that Harris was a failure, just as they felt Biden was a failure. And she didn’t have to be.

            Don’t run a bad candidate if you wanna win. This is common sense. And if you try anyway and lose, don’t blame others for it.

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              Why do Democrats have to field the perfect candidate while Republicans can run anyone and still win?

              It fucking sucks that the DNC fielded a mid candidate, but let’s not put all the blame on them. It seems like the threat of Trump wasn’t big enough for Democrat voters to get out and vote. The guy that said that he would retaliate against his political opponents and would be a dictator from day one.

              You know that you can vote for a candidate and still demand better from them after the election, right?

              At one point, Americans will have to stop taking disagreements personally and unite.

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              Yeah, because Trump endlessly said they were failures and the corporate media unquestioningly repeated it.

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        Harris had the exact same line on Israel as Biden and is literally part of the Biden-Harris administration.