Before someone talks about the windows to justify the electronic door release, cars have had frameless doors for decades at this point, Tesla didn’t invent anything, it’s possible to have the window go down a bit with a mechanical handle and a switch that gets activated by it.
Like… What tesla has? There are mechanical door releases, it’s the big lever on the handle.
Yeah, it’s lacking on older models in the rear. But this car in question had those? I don’t understand how the front people didn’t get out. The rear ones, yeah, it’s quite fucked.
The ones they have are emergency releases and don’t activate the windows, in some models the emergency release is under the door pocket mat, under a cover that needs to be pried open, in others they’re behind the speaker grills.
What I’m saying is that they 100% could have mechanical handles that activate the windows as the regular mean to open the doors, it’s a deliberate choice not to have them and that choice can kill people.
Yeah they have water leak issues though (which auto lowering windows don’t as they’re sealed like in framed doors) but they’ve had that setup for ages.
I never experienced that with a Subaru I had ~15 years ago. Not even in a car wash. There may be a reason, but I dont see how this could be it. Maybe wind noise?
I think the difference between then, and now, is that the average Subaru driver 15 years ago had a different skillset. I don’t remember this being discussed on forums then, but folks did replace seals. It’s normal maintenance on that type of window. It isn’t an “issue,” although we could argue it is a “feature” haha.
Do they? I’ve been driving Subarus for over 25 years. Up until my newest one (a 2020 model) they all had the gasketed frameless windows, and I never had problems with water leakage. I suppose if the gaskets are old enough or exposed to UV enough they could wear out and need to be replaced. But that seems like a wear and tear issue and very minor in comparison to a potential deathtrap design.
It’s been in a known issue with Subarus forever, that and wind noise, there’s even DIY guides where it’s just people pushing the top of the window to bend the frame a bit to make it seal better!
Would a car window breaker / striker tool work on a tesla?
Ok just checked… looks like the only window that isn’t laminated is the driver side rear window which is a dumb design as far as safety design regardless of frame
Before someone talks about the windows to justify the electronic door release, cars have had frameless doors for decades at this point, Tesla didn’t invent anything, it’s possible to have the window go down a bit with a mechanical handle and a switch that gets activated by it.
Like… What tesla has? There are mechanical door releases, it’s the big lever on the handle.
Yeah, it’s lacking on older models in the rear. But this car in question had those? I don’t understand how the front people didn’t get out. The rear ones, yeah, it’s quite fucked.
The ones they have are emergency releases and don’t activate the windows, in some models the emergency release is under the door pocket mat, under a cover that needs to be pried open, in others they’re behind the speaker grills.
What I’m saying is that they 100% could have mechanical handles that activate the windows as the regular mean to open the doors, it’s a deliberate choice not to have them and that choice can kill people.
Or just use a gasket like subaru’s did/do. I had frameless doors in ~2000 with no electronics required.
Yeah they have water leak issues though (which auto lowering windows don’t as they’re sealed like in framed doors) but they’ve had that setup for ages.
I never experienced that with a Subaru I had ~15 years ago. Not even in a car wash. There may be a reason, but I dont see how this could be it. Maybe wind noise?
With the window not being sandwiched in a gasket with time the seal between the window and the gasket isn’t as waterproof.
I think the difference between then, and now, is that the average Subaru driver 15 years ago had a different skillset. I don’t remember this being discussed on forums then, but folks did replace seals. It’s normal maintenance on that type of window. It isn’t an “issue,” although we could argue it is a “feature” haha.
Do they? I’ve been driving Subarus for over 25 years. Up until my newest one (a 2020 model) they all had the gasketed frameless windows, and I never had problems with water leakage. I suppose if the gaskets are old enough or exposed to UV enough they could wear out and need to be replaced. But that seems like a wear and tear issue and very minor in comparison to a potential deathtrap design.
It’s been in a known issue with Subarus forever, that and wind noise, there’s even DIY guides where it’s just people pushing the top of the window to bend the frame a bit to make it seal better!
This is what causes the issue to begin with. Close the door with the door, not the window. That has been a known issue for decades.
I don’t disagree, but it wouldn’t be an issue if Subaru just used the same solution as all other manufacturers…
Would a car window breaker / striker tool work on a tesla?
Ok just checked… looks like the only window that isn’t laminated is the driver side rear window which is a dumb design as far as safety design regardless of frame