What are the opinions you’ve heard from people you’ve met in real life? I know the internet seems to have consensus, but the internet is not always representative of the real world.
What are the opinions of Luigi in your:
Family? Relatives? Friends? Coworkers/Classmates? People in your area?
I don’t really want to discuss this IRL since I’m a bit paranoid of mass surveillance and getting my voice recorded saying anything anti-establishment could put a target on my back, especially with the incoming US administration, so I’d rather not. (I know, I’m paranoid)
(Edit: Also, I don’t want a future employer somehow getting a recording of me glorifying a CEO’s death)
The only people IRL I’ve heard from are my parents who basically read propaganda from Wechat that just portrays Luigi as some crazy person, but, then again, my parents are also Pro-CCP idiots and hates Democrats for the “migrant crisis”, so that seems to be a trend for their beliefs: just parotting what Wechat says.
I can’t say I’m surprised it happened. I’m kinda surprised it didn’t happen sooner considering some of the games companies can play and the emotions involved when trying to care for loved ones. The timing sucks because the kids who had nothing to do with the business won’t have another Christmas without thinking of the time they had to bury their dad.
I’m glad that of all the options the shooter chose to be about as surgical as they could be. Better to target one heavily involved person than a mass shooting at a hospital, office etc where most people have nothing to do with big picture decision making.
Now I’m concerned about copycats that won’t be as considerate and kneejerk legal repercussions since I enjoy the 2nd amendment and use suppressors often. I think this is the first real crime I’ve heard of with a suppressor used. Nobody I know wants to see this be a regular thing but hopes this will be a wake up call higher ups need to change their practices.
could put a target on my back
I know, I’m paranoid
It does not mean that you are paranoid. It just means that you are vastly overestimating your own importance.
Its not really “overestimating importance”
Cops gun down people all the time and never ger punished. Those people weren’t “important” to the system, they just become another statistic.
They’ll send cops to “investigate” you, then find an excuse to shoot you then claim “they feared their life”.
Yeah but statistically running your mouth to your friends is very unlikely to out you in sequence of events where cops are shooting at you.
With that being said, there is a chance Luigin ain’t the adjuster
And they deff using his socials to pin the life claim denial on him.
I haven’t really heard anyone talking about it IRL, but that’s not a very big sample size.
I’m a bit reticent, because I don’t know who around me will be cool with me flat out saying this should be a case of jury nullification. The ceo had it coming, and if you think political violence is bad, why are you cool with the insurance ghoul committing social murder? If anything, this is an act of self defense
Yeah, I imagine there are quite a few people that would be disturbed by that.
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if you think political violence is bad, why are you cool with the insurance ghoul committing social murder?
Those aren’t exclusive positions though.
What the American healthcare system does to people is awful and should be changed. No question at all.
That doesn’t make it ok IMO for someone to just go out and murder someone else.
The more people normalise and even praise this sort of thing, the worse, and more dangerous, society is going to get IMO.
I realise that’s not the popular view, but there it is.
I do agree with you that it will make things more dangerous, but I don’t know what to expect. The mere existence of billionaires is violence on the working class. We are getting squeezed, so those at the top can add just a bit more to their hoards. I should be food safe, and have shelter the next 4 years, but if my wife or I lose our job that could change quickly. And we are gently well off with a decent support system. Most of my countrymen are in more precarious of a position. I think this is the natural consequence of our economic system. Regulations removed, social programs removed, wages stagnant, and more and more is wrung out of people. Their basic needs are neglected, they’re left in pain, and left to die because that gives the shareholders a few percent more. This is violence against us, though legal and given the veneer of civility. Its starting to feel like nonviolent avenues are no longer viable, so then we get this
Yeah, agree with all that, and something like this does have a feeling of inevitability about it.
I just feel concerned by the hero worship of this guy, it’s kind of disturbing to me.
I don’t really want to discuss this IRL since I’m a bit paranoid of mass surveillance and getting my voice recorded saying anything anti-establishment could put a target on my back, especially with the incoming US administration, so I’d rather not. (I know, I’m paranoid)
You are a victim of a psyop but you also ain’t wrong. They don’t want people talking freely about topics like this. Critical thinking will expose the PT tricks for what they are.
Plebs not talking is what the want. Consume this new slop peasants!
Daddy knows best.
Oh I definitely will talk, but just not in a workplace or in university, or in a coffeeshop with people walking by.
Smart
If you look at it at the individual level, of course it’s a tragedy.
At the systematic level though, big change historically almost always includes death, and at the end people everywhere celebrate the successful revolution with very little thought to those sacrificed to get it.
Why is it a tragedy?
Or do you mean Luigi getting caught?
A person killing another person. People will mourn him. I guarantee someone is crying over this, a child, a parent, a lover. If you can’t see that side of it at all you need to take a step back and think about your humanity.
But as a system… It’s a different story. Sometimes things have to break before change happens, and afterward, people are likely to just think about it in terms of a beneficial change, not the people who didn’t survive the conflict.
an event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such as a serious accident, crime, or natural catastrophe
Doesn’t fit the bill
Also didn’t he cheat on his wife a bunch? We don’t know his kids don’t hate his guts.
Oof, I was not going to share my thoughts on this but: my first thought when I saw the smiling footage was that it had to be a cute psychopath, I don’t think most people could smile while they planned to kill anyone, and I was glad that if he was a weapon at least he was aimed correctly. I wouldn’t say my impression has changed.
My gay coworker said, and I quote “ooh, hello handsome!”
Nobody I’ve talked to has been able to dredge up any sympathy for the victim, like literally nobody of any class or inclination. All feel he killed for profit, live by the sword, die by the sword. That is separate from any feelings about the killer or vigilante justice in general.
I don’t think most people could smile while they planned to kill anyone
That’s ridiculous. Plenty of people smile while bringing a live turkey back home from a farmer’s market the day before Thanksgiving.
Anyone can become okay with killing if they’re trained to see the target as undeserving of life. Sometimes it’s because they see the target as less than human. Sometimes it’s because they see the target as evil. But anyone can smile while taking a life if they think they have a good reason.
I’ve never heard of anyone getting a live turkey in the US. Where do you live where people do that?
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Guess it happens less often in the city these days. Drag thought everyone knew about it.
As a person living in Scotland I was initially perplexed why this was even a story. I mean, isn’t this what Americans do? Shoot each other all the time?
If the guy that was shot was a bum living out of a dumpster at the back of McDonald’s would this even be a story? And therein lies my initial naivety: this was a CEO of a company ranked 8th on the 2024 Fortune Global 500, and therefore a very important person indeed apparently.
Money talks and bullshit walks I guess.
As for the shooter, I haven’t really been following the story, but I guess he was someone who got fucked over by the health insurance company.
To me this is just box standard America: people shooting each other, fat folk eating too much, car chases, wars everywhere, idiots for presidents, corrupt companies. The kind of stuff that’s in every Hollywood movie.
As an outsider looking in, it’s kind of sad yet fascinating watching the most powerful country in the world fall apart.
To me this is just box standard America: people shooting each other, fat folk eating too much, car chases, wars everywhere, idiots for presidents, corrupt companies. The kind of stuff that’s in every Hollywood movie.
What a reductionist take.
Wait until you see what Americans think about the rest of the world. If they bother to at all.
Not the gotcha you think it is.
I was offended at first glance, but then remembered that there were two shootings at my old apartment, and I have a cop friend of a friend that regularly posts dashcam footage from his car chase of the week in the discord. I’m also kinda fat, so the rest seems to check out.
My friend works for an insurance company. He is very ready to make jokes about it but he was involved in a meeting with the higher-ups and he said they seemed genuinely worried, as you’d expect I suppose, and had to bite his tongue.
Chad.
Remember people you ain’t got to drink the koolaid if you are working in such environments
Tell “Leadership” what you need but keep independent thinking. They don’t pay enough to control your opinions IMHO
My family had a jolly laugh about that CEO. Several of them have worked with mental health patients and elders and hate the entire health insurance industry, my brother works for cooperate types and as a result has zero sympathy for corporate types and we share memes about it. Whatever other beliefs Luigi may have, he did us all a solid, so he’s ok in our book.
My parents think it’s immoral to kill someone, even if they’re indirectly murdering thousands of people. Can’t agree on everything, I guess…
So your parents if given the chance would not have killed Hitler?
Ask your parents why they support Hitler next time.
There should be some sort of justice system for deciding these matters.
If we allow people to kill when they think it’s justified, we’re going to have pure chaos in our hands. If you want to watch the world burn, this is how you do it.
The world is burning. Now. With the justice systems you’re alluding to.
People literally voted for the people who dismantled it. People voted for the same type of person to be president as the asshole that got murdered.
Mob rule will only lead you in one direction; making the Redneckistan name more than just appropriate. But whatever. Fall into chaos and end up like the middle East. I don’t care anymore. Let the world burn. Better fast than the slow climate cooking that you morons in the US doomed the world into.
I’m not from the US
Well as long as these people exist, we cannot have a just system for deciding these matters as they wield too much influence and power.
The US literally voted those type of people in, including in the role of the president - again. They want this system, and they got it. What you are asking for is mob rule like in the middle east.
Again?
You mean always?
BoTh SiDeS… Jfc, you’re about as bad as Russia man.
Jfc yourself.
Who the fuck is stupid enough to believe this issue only started 8 years ago? The US was founded for the wealthy and the legal system has reflected that since day one.
So… guns for everyone?
At least until the war is over.
Many African countries are already implementing this system, and with great success, you could argue. Well… as far as the amount is bloodshed and bodycount are concerned. I mean, if someone thought of killing another person, it must have been for a valid reason, right? Obviously, the evil ones are the first to go in a situation like that.
I did bring killing Hitler up, and they said that’s justified because things are different in times of war. Didn’t really feel like arguing with them any more than that lol.
Anyone in my circles who’s had to fully interact with our US healthcare has, at minimum, said they understand the motive.
I don’t really want to discuss this IRL since I’m a bit paranoid of mass surveillance and getting my voice recorded saying anything anti-establishment could put a target on my back
Wait till you find out the CIA can read…
Shouldnt they be reading Russian and Chinese socials…
NSA doing domestic socials?
Eh, plausible deniability. A IRL voice recording is more incriminating than a pseudo-anonymous internet post.
… said the prosecutor reading the defendent’s online statements to the court.
“I didn’t post that, must’ve been malware” is more believable than “They deepfaked my voice”, especially when there were real witnesses.
Besides, they have to do some network traffic deanonymizing, to do. As long as you dont make explicit threats, they don’t have time to track every internet post.
Edit: Also, not just legal harassment, but any employer hearing your recorded voice of trashing CEOs, especially of glorifying the death of CEOs, are not gonna hire you. Might wanna be careful if you wanna have a job in the future.
Barley a discussion. The Dodgers winning had a bigger social stir.
This would not have happened if company leaders implemented a “don’t be a dick” style of operation.
They would have made a bit less money, sure, but at the level they operate at, they are just working the highscore anyway, so earnings are effectively meaningless to them, their standard of living won’t increase much by exploiting their customer even further.
They all enshittify. That’s how it goes in pursuit of The Bottom Line. Once you’re established and run out of room to innovate or grow in your market space, you then start squeezing employees, product quality, and customers for more money to keep the shareholders happy.
One of the most infamous examples of literally saying “Don’t Be Evil” as a company motto used by Google, they turned to shit just like all the rest.
The UHC memoriam post on FB had reactions of 95% laughing face emoji and 5% everything else. It’s not the best cross section of humanity. But, public perception seems quite clear.
