• Diplomjodler@feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    Extremists never care about adhering to their own rules. Those are just a tool to oppress and control their victims.

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      1 year ago

      That’s true. But the “as long as you only do it to infidels” is an excuse that has been used by Muslims for centuries and not just the extremist kind.

      • bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        1 year ago

        Sure bud, it’s literally explicitly haram to make, ship, handle, and sell intoxicants. Doesn’t matter who the end user is. Don’t think for a second that this is something that “Muslims” excuse.

        Relevant Text

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            1 year ago

            Anytime, I’ve noticed that the level of misinformation on Muslims is way higher on Lemmy that it was on Reddit 😞

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              1 year ago

              Reddit taught me that correcting people on misinformation on Islam is a waste of time. I remember an argument I had with some dickhead where he called me “bonkers” for being Muslim, citing only the most inhumane behaviors and mindests that could loosely be attributed to the faith

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                1 year ago

                In the same sentence they’ll go from acknowledging that muslim != extremist, right back to generalizing about the whole belief system.

                I just wish they’d fucking internalize some of the lessons they’re given and allow it to temper their bigotry.

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          1 year ago

          Interesting, but the piece says wine in English, not intoxicants. Is Wine not correct translation?

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            1 year ago

            The Arabic term used in that Hadith is ‘Khamr’, which is a catch-all term for intoxicant (defined as something that clouds the mind/judgement in Islam). In that time period, the most common khamr was wine/alcohol which is why it mentions pressing [grapes]. This is further clarified in other Ahadith Like this one. This is a common issue when translating classical Arabic, as a lot of common terms back then are not as specific as our modern terms and cannot easily be translated 1:1.

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              1 year ago

              OK, to bad the translation doesn’t reflect that better.

              With religious texts there are often a great deal of interpretation, so whether it is used for good or bad often depends on interpretation.

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              OK I see it is in the next paragraph, I just didn’t read on the first time.