Summary
Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousafzai condemned the Taliban’s treatment of women at a Pakistan summit on girls’ education in Muslim communities, stating, “The Taliban do not see women as human beings.”
She criticized their policies banning Afghan girls from education and work as “gender apartheid” and un-Islamic.
Afghanistan is the only country banning education for girls beyond grade six, affecting 1.5 million girls.
Malala urged Muslim leaders to challenge these practices and advocate for girls’ education globally.
The Taliban declined to attend or comment.
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“The Taliban do not see women as human beings.”
Not many do.
Now what?
Hey according to some that’s okay, because at least they know what a woman is:
That’s okay I’m sure her fellow “women’s rights” defenders wouldn’t do something awful like make fun of Malala’s experiences:
Ofcourse JK Rowling likes that first tweet. What a vile piece of excrement
J.K. Rowling invented “fragile femininity.”
She loses her shit any time anyone tries to broaden or complexity the narrow little definition she is stuck on. She just can’t handle it. A woman has to mean exactly what she says it does, or her femininity is under attack. Such an asshole.
You seem like person who can handle it. What’s a woman then?
Thanks, I do that a lot being dyslexic and not native english speaker
Woman is a gender identity which is a socially constructed notion. Whether you’re a trans woman or a midwestern blonde beauty queen, it’s just as much of a made-up complex. It can and does have different meanings in different cultures and contexts. It is distinct from any clinical criteria such as genitalia, chromosomes, etc - it has never been able to be mapped to any of those cleanly so I don’t try. You have the genitalia you have, which is none of my concern. You present yourself as a woman, then that’s how I’m going to take you.
Because I’m pretty open minded I am willing to support multiple answers to this question as valid. However tolerance comes into a conundrum when it comes to tolerating intolerance. I tend to resolve this by not tolerating intolerance, hence my disgust for JKR. If you want to attend the party you have to agree to have fun with everyone there. If you’re going to object to some guests being present, fine, and you can leave. That’s my policy in my house, and that’s my policy for the bigger picture too.
Same argument could said about Race then, it’s also a “social construct notion” right?
100%.
People have different hair and skins colors and skull shapes and hair types and they may share some or many or none or one of these genes with this person and these other genes with that person.
But the idea that there are these huge groups of people who are some kind of “species” is ridiculous and unsupported. People club together with others of their skin color because families share more genes and everyone has fear of The Other.
That’s it. “White” for example is the most fake bullshit concept in history. I’m the son of an Arab but he happens to have blue eyes so I pass as “white.” Italians in the US used to be considered some kind of dark skin other but then over time they magically became “white.” At some points in some places, Japanese were considered “white” but Chinese were not. You might think someone is “white” but then you find out they’re Jewish and you scratch your head and say “huh… are Jews ‘white?’” And you don’t actually know.
Because it’s totally fucking made up. People will dress it up as “western civilization” or whatever the fuck but it’s entirely invented. It has a very real effect, mind you, but there’s no actual there there. Entirely a mirage. There is more genetic diversity in Africa than the rest of the world combined many times over.
Then would be okay for a “white” skin person to claim that they’re “Black” and say the N-word etc right?
There’s very few labels for groups of people that aren’t social constructs. Ethnicity is also a social construct, for example, and it’s quite different from the nebulous concept of race.
Jfc people are gross
She can change taliban to Islam at large. Other Arab countries would be doing it to if they thought they could get away with it.
You think the Taliban and Pakistan and Afghanistan are… Arab? Why don’t you believe that they are Pashtuns?
It’s not “Islam at large”, look at Iran pre-revolution, or Iraq under Saddam Hussein. They had a multitude of problems, but Islamic fundamentalism wasn’t one of them.
You don’t even need to leave Afghanistan. Afghanistan before the Soviets invaded was a very different place.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/06/05/asia/gallery/afghan-women-past-present/index.html
Just like christian nations: the worse educated and poorer the more abusive sky dictator trumps love for fellow human.
Other Arab
Didn’t tell on yourself until the second sentence this time, well done
ahhh the wonders of religion. humanity’s self-induced blight
It’s the sickness and its own cure! Just like other drug addictions.
Why do you jump to religion and not simply conclude that the Talibans are massive incels? You do realize that out of two billion Muslims only the Taliban are doing this shit right? Malala is calling them un-Islamic for a reason.
religion is in itself a ridiculous premise, and the type is largely irrelevant (islam/christianity).
they are a disease that should be eradicated. humanity will never move forward with such archaic ideas.
Ok will you be consistent and mention the same of other ideologies that have wreaked havoc? By the way you associate things you have to acknowledge the death and destruction brought upon by secular and atheist states from colonialism to modern day imperialism.
I’ll list some examples of states that caused a lot of death and destruction:
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USSR a secular atheist state that killed millions and committed ethnic cleansing. (One ex. Is what they did in Kazakhstan)
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USA and France and their invasion of Vietnam
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All that was done by secular states in the colonial era
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all that is being currently by secular states in the neo colonial era
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US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Russian invasion of Ukraine
I can keep going.
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all religions were created by con artists. theyre just tools used to control other humans. its nothing more than that.
islam itself founded by a pedophilic warlord. volume of the indoctrinated is irrelevant. kinda funny how the best predictor of which of these cults any particular human follows is geography.
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o0o0 sick burn. hard to refute reality.
every holy book has been written by humans with something to gain in their use. christianity responsible for some of the largest swaths of dead humans in the crusades. the bible crafted by carefully selected passages by humans across millennia. even modern bullshit like mormonism and scientology, created by documented con artists. but oh no, yours is the ‘one true’ religion.
all religions are false Except yours, right? cuz yours is somehow special?
I’m an atheist. It’s not.
I mean the other guy seems to not understand that ideas spread geographically so yeah, not a good look.
Just ignore this troll. You’re giving him a platform.
Dude there’s no point trying to engage reddit atheists
Reddit? What’s that?
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It also specifically should be mentioned how Judaism is a disease. People think Judaism is somehow “better” or “more tolerant”, as a Jewish person myself I can personally confirm that Judaism is just as capable of oppression and violent hatred (just look at Ben Gvir).
Because their religion literally teaches them to treat women like shit?
And it’s not only them doing this. They all have shit women’s rights records.
They all have shit women’s rights records.
I’m sure this is a well-researched claim and not something you just made up, but let’s not get into that.
And it’s not only them doing this.
Literally no Muslim country in the world is as insane about oppressing women as Taliban Afghanistan. And that includes even the notorious ones like Iran. Nothing in Islamic beliefs or the behavior of Muslim countries resembles the ridiculousness of Taliban policies, and you should learn at least that before you shit on other people’s cultures.
Look at Rojava in Kurdistan (you did say “all” Muslims, no taking that back). It’s like saying the Christian religion is the reason the crusades were bad and not because they were violent men with horrible ideas. Innocent people worship innocently. I don’t like jihadists or Islamic nationalists or caliphates either, but I at least don’t attribute that to Muslims entirely, just the stupid ones. Most people don’t understand the difference between those who just want to be Muslim (look at Islamic people in Kurdistan and, yes, even Israel who has many religions living together relatively peacefully to the US) and those who want jihad and intifadas and Islam-directed oppression via the state. That’s because you believed the propaganda.
There are religious nuts in Islam. They are jihadists. Hamas was the suicide bombers back in the 2000s. The taliban, ISIS, ISIL, Al-queda, the Houthis, Al-Shabaab, etc etc. They are all Islamic nationalists. It’s like seeing an American and assuming they’re transphobic just because MAGA is.
It is very clearly not only taliban. Extremist groups are, shocker, more extreme. Muslim religion and culture tends to treat muslim women as second class citizens. The more western the muslim country, the more they treat women like equals. Christians treat lbtq communty like shit and you wouldn’t say americans in 70s were extremist christian nutjobs as it was standard to be homophobic, part of the culture.
She criticized their policies banning Afghan girls from education and work as “gender apartheid” and un-Islamic.
Says right there it is opposite of what the religion teaches?!
At least wait until there is an article that confirms your bias to spit your poison, dude.
Religion is not what religion teaches.
Look what they do, not what they say.
I look at neither. I look at what the scripture says.
Then you are a fool.
Traffic regulations tell drivers to stop at red lights. Dude sees some cars run red lights and goes on hating traffic regulations saying they encourage running red lights. Random guy points out the absurdity but gets called a fool.
Well, what can I say? Have a nice day, dude.
then you should already know it isn’t.
well, it isn’t, so that’s that
Ah yes, but other ideologies which have been destructive are not? I hope you’ll be consistent in pointing out the secular states of today continue to wreak havoc, death and destruction in the middle east and Africa. (Let’s not forget colonialism)
And the secular atheist communist states of Russia and China, those didn’t commit ethnic cleansing and killed millions of people?
I’ll just mention the destruction that the USSR brought to Kazakhstan that lingers to this day as an example.
I can assure you that misogyny is not a result of religion, religion is just used to excuse it.
And because it’s excused it’s allowed to exist.
The dichotomy of the west running a literal concentration camp in Gaza and then taking the moral high ground on Afghanistan as if that is where human life is not valued is hillarious.
She isn’t wrong to say this.
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Suggesting that Muslim men love to fuck camels is definitely not perpetuating any racist stereotypes at all.
The f’n MAGAts and the Taliban share a lot in common.
Capitalists are more efficient than both.
They don’t see almost anyone as human.
capitalism is what broke up gender norms; if a woman or a man presses a button for 8 hours what does a capitalist care?
Haha I’m going to assume the comment wasn’t giving the Taliban or Ya’ll-qaeda a pass with a whataboutism.
They don’t see almost anyone as human.
But it’s okay you can drop the “almost”. To them, humans are just another speculative resource that responds to market manipulation! XD
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There’s a reason they call 'em “Ya’ll-Qaeda” lol
Headline/statement improvement note for your online discussing:
“Taliban do not understand that women are human”, or “Taliban continue to refuse to acknowledge that women are human”.
Don’t imply a possibility of correctness that isn’t there.
Rule 1 in this community includes, “title must match the article headline.” OP did as we request.
When incels have complete control, basically.
It’s probably good they have basic religious differences or Republicans and the Taliban would have joined forces by now.
Lore accurate abrahamic religions are peak incelcore. They remove the incel stuff to make it more appealing for the less hardcore fanbase.
Statistically speaking you are wrong. There are around a billion Muslim and a few thousands of Taliban.
Statistically speaking do not look at womenstats maps and draw your own conclusions from countries frequenting the list of most anti women maps. Historically do not look at how christians have been treating women as well.
“The Taliban declined to attend or comment.”
Well yeah, they don’t think a person was talking.
Really how is this news? The Taliban don’t think woman are people, and water is wet.
We armed the wrong sex in Afghanistan…
Good, we see Taliban as demons wearing human skin since time immemorial.
You mean except for when you guys were training and arming them right?
Do you think the person you’re replying to is somehow responsible for Taliban being in power?
Who is “you guys” and when did this arming and training happen?
Not because I doubt it happened, but because it’s happened enough times with enough people that you need to be specific…
It’s funny how every country is responsible for their actions, except America, cause you guys love to use the shaggy “it wasn’t me” defense towards every atrocity. “It want me, it was that American over there!”
I think Rambo 3 was the one in Afghanistan, where Rambo joins the Taliban against the Russians, which was written that way to reflect the reality of Americans supporting and training the mujahideen of Afghanistan to oppose Russia. Those mujahideen are what turned into the taliban. America has a great history of training their future enemies
The two people you are replying to probably aren’t Americans. One posts in a Philippines com and the other from a .uk domain.
That’s why I was asking which time.
That Taliban rose up because the country was abandoned by the US after helping them see off the Soviet Union (and indeed being one of the catalysts that caused the Soviet Union to collapse). They were left with no infrastructure, and the Taliban stepped in with all the religious crazies in tow. And yeah, a lot of them were the mujahideen who were armed and trained by the US. They’re soldiers after all, and new regimes always need soldiers…
The Russians later gave them some equipment and funding to fight the US when they later invaded, but nowhere near enough to actually fight back. It was going to take more than a couple of rocket launchers for that.
Nobody ever gave a shit about the people there. Not the Taliban, not the US and not the Russians. Nobody is learning from it. You’ve got the exact same shit right now in Syria. They were rebels, then they were ISIS and Al-Qaeda, now they’re rebels again. All based on whether or not they’re attacking the old enemy.
Something about the “not human” phrasing is bothering me. I get what they’re trying to convey and I don’t dispute it, but it also feels inaccurate in a way that might lead us to miss important aspects of the situation.
I’m sure if you asked an Afghan man how many people live in his home, he’d include women and children in his answer. So I don’t think they literally see women as a separate species.
My gut feeling is more like Afghan men don’t generally believe in the concept of human rights, as opposed to separate sets of rights for men and women. Hell, they may not even believe in the Western concept of rights at all, and may think only in terms of things like religious obligations and cultural norms.
I wonder if there’s a different phrasing we could use that has the same emotional impact but doesn’t suggest questionable conclusions about the world view of Afghans.
I’m sure if you asked an Afghan man how many people live in his home, he’d include women and children in his answer.
I’m not so sure. I have zero basis to think it’s one way or another, but given all the oniony-but-actually-pure-facts headlines of these recent… months? I’m definitely not certain of it.
you shouldn’t base your thinking on western news which generally have an incentive to exaggerate everything related to Afghanistan and taliban.
there’s a recent video from a non-muslim youtuber called Arab going to the taliban and vlogging his experience, from what I saw in his video the taliban aren’t as bad as the headlines suggest, I don’t really like the guy but the videos are good.
the fact that they don’t give girls the same rights as boys are facts, but there’s more to it than just “girl less than boy” as the media portrays it, you need to understand the culture more before coming to conclusions like that the afghans think of women as subhuman.
Religious bigots in power, what to expect?
