Vincent Oriedo, a biotechnology scientist, had just such a question. What lessons have been learned, he asked, from Harris’s defeat in this vital swing county in a crucial battleground state that voted for Joe Biden four years ago, and how are the Democrats applying them?

“They did not answer the question,” he said.

“It tells me that they haven’t learned the lessons and they have their inner state of denial. I’ve been paying careful attention to the influencers within the Democratic party. Their discussions have centred around, ‘If only we messaged better, if only we had a better candidate, if only we did all these superficial things.’ There is really a lack of understanding that they are losing their base, losing constituencies they are taking for granted.”

“We have set ourselves up for generational loss because we keep promoting from within leaders that that do not criticise the moneyed interests. They refuse to take a hard look at what Americans actually believe and meet those needs.”

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    So, voters vote even HARDER for moneyed interests by voting for the qons, or by sitting out or voting third party?

    That’s some real nine dimensional chess there.

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      They only have 2 real options, it’s either more of the same or the guy who’s promising to tear down the system. There’s really no nine dimensional chess, it’s pretty clear cut to me.

      To think otherwise is, once more, a failure to learn the lesson.

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        The guy promising to take down the system?

        He advertised everything but that including lying, broken promises, and corruption in using the system to his benefit.

        That’s what voters chose.

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          Yes, but it’s different. Do you really not understand how simple the calculus is for people who are not politically and or philosophically engaged?

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              “We think you’re doing fine and we’re not stopping the genocide support” from people who aren’t liars will get people to stay home.

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        After that same guy didn’t tear down the system the first time, rather giving into lobbyist interests far more than any other ‘career politician’ in modern American history, such as in beating the record for inaugural bribe collection he himself set eight years ago, you’d think more people would at least recognize that Trump’s promises are either smoke in the wind or just a means for private interests to enrichen themselves at the expense of the American people.

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          To know that you’d need to be paying attention. Most people are not paying attention, they only remember they had more money back then.

          Listen you can either accept that the vast majority of people are simpletons and try to make this out to be more complicated than it is, or you can understand why Trump won and use that to win next elections. Trump won because he understands that they are simpletons and engages them as such.