I’ve had several conversations/arguments recently with my brother making clear my system of values and my hatred for the wealthy. He is nearly diametrically opposed on all accounts and often makes light of their actions. He goes so far as to say that poor people and people in need of social services should have to figure things out for themselves. He often defends Elon Musk and champions him for being self made.
He is getting married in a foreign country soon and I have been able to put aside our differences and have been planning on going
…up until yesterday that is. I asked him of his thoughts on Musk’s seig heil maneuver and he sent a right wing meme of democratic leaders caught mid wave, saying that “they did it first”. He continued to be avoidant and didn’t respond to me calling it a strawman.
In this moment it feels necessary to cancel my plans to send a message that this is not ok. Am I the (or an) asshole for not going to his wedding because of this?
Your last paragraph contains the clue. What message do you genuinely believe your brother will understand from you refusing to attend his wedding? Will it do any good? Does it seem likely to change anyone’s behavior?
If yes, then don’t go. If no, then put that thought aside and reconsider whether you actually want to go, then decide based on that.
Seems overly dramatic. I don’t think you’re an asshole, but somebody who should realize you don’t deeadicalize your family by being emotionally unstable.
The emotionally unstable one is the Nazi :3
Wanting to have people die/suffer for being Jewish, Palestinian, queer, or whatever, that IS emotional instability. Normal people don’t want others to die. :3
“My brother calls me a moron and punches me in the dick every day and I don’t want to let him anymore, am I the asshole?”
“I waggle my dick in front of my brother and he punches it every time”
From OPs context, and they could certainly clarify, but it sounds like they just won’t shut up about class struggle, wealth inequality… For which for the terminally online there is an endless appetite for and you can find a cozy echo chamber to nuzzle up in.
So his brother doesn’t share the same views on Elon musk.ok. he obviously knows this by now. Why does he insist on asking about it? Why ask a question that has no bearing on either of your lives where if you don’t get an agreement on you’ll be so mad you’ll not go to their wedding when you know the answer ahead of time.
They’re both assholes. He shouldn’t go to the wedding but honestly based on the context as presented I don’t think the brother is going to be upset about it.
If that was really the case and if I was OP I’d go to that wedding, get absolutely shitfaced in the least amount of time my liver allows me to and let the shitshow begin.
There is no point in peaceful confrontation when the world is burning.It’s amazing to me how willing people are to play the part of the shrill reee-ing blue haired archetype foil that Republicans created.
I’m going to get drunk and ruin a wedding. THAT will fix the world.
No, dumbass, it’s going to validate everything fox news has been telling their base about the left. You have absolutely no self awareness, and will ruin your brother’s wedding as if he was the CEO of Shell even though he’s a construction worker in rural Montana.
Be the strawman the Republicans want you to be!
You are projecting a lot of things I haven’t said: I’m not crashing a wedding for any sense of politics, this is beyond any political motivation. This is personal.
If I have a beef with my brother, or any other member of my family, and they invite me to their wedding, boy am I making them regret this decision.
Everyone at that party is going to think twice before sending me that golden print letter in the future. No one thinks you’re a “crazy liberal” when you’re puking orange juice and vodka you brought from home in the punchbowl and then shout out “Don’t worry everyone, it’s just gonna taste better!”How ironic.
“A nazi thinks people suck!!! So if I’m behaving NORMALLY, then I’m the problem!” Is essentially what you say.
Who then is the problem? If you can’t see that for yourself, I suggest you remove your profile from Lemmy.
Maybe you should shut up instead of thinking someone is an asshole for disliking a nazi? What the fuck are you on?
He’s not an asshole for disliking a Nazi. He’s an asshole for deciding to spring a question he knows the answer to which apparently demands of him to boycott a wedding.
His idiot brother likes Elon Musk. The brother isn’t disinviting him. OP is the one who created and is enforcing a rule about Elon.
I have no idea what the family dynamics are, but if they’re otherwise good and you’re willing to burn your family relationships because they don’t share your views on Elon Musk, wowza.
“If 10 people sit on a table with a Nazi, there are 11 Nazis on that table”.
You are not the asshole.
That’s quite a strong table, holding 11 people
At? Sometimes I don’t remember it on the fly
The other 10 are just infants obviously.
You’re not the asshole. Your brother is the asshole for being a right winger.
Cheeto Hitler’s new term is gonna prompt a lot of people to perform a much needed purge of chuds in their social circle.
No, it sounds like your brother is actually the asshole.
I think a lot of people would cut contact with their family at times like this due to the ways in which these kinds of beliefs often intersect with massive amounts of interpersonal abuse and broadly dysfunctional and unhappy relationships. I think this is most especially true of people who are queer, neurodivergent, disabled, or a member of some other minority, who are easily going to be subject by that abuse from their family more and more, especially as they may be more dependent on them and as they’re more noticeably going to see that abuse well up as a result of those narratives. You know, people who get to see the “ugly sides” of their family.
I would say that if you’re not actively dependent on your family, and you’re not part of an actively hated minority which they will more easily discard, disrespect, and abuse, then that makes it easier to cut them out of your life, but that’s also definitely a time at which you will counterintuitively be in the best position to sway them, since you’re at your most secure.
So I would say that this is, in some part, a decision which you should probably make in reflection of your current material circumstances, the current state of your life. This also isn’t a decision which you need to make right now, really, to cut him out of your life or decide to blow this particular one up. You said he’s already married, and that your other two brothers aren’t going, so one more probably won’t hurt things that much even if you invent an excuse.
I’m like 90% sure if I showed my dad the picture of elon musk hitting the five knuckle shuffle live on stage in 4k 60fps three times in a row, he’d probably flee to the “my heart goes out to you” comment, right before trying to find some sort of talking point he could throw down the hopper in order to justify this shit, which is really to say nothing of the fact that he basically just fundamentally agrees with elon’s actions on basically every level if he was to actually sit down and think about it for long enough. There’s some people which cannot be helped, because they will repeatedly choose not to be. There isn’t exactly a correct answer, here, I think the major thing is that if it goes sideways because of your decisions, you shouldn’t beat yourself up or crash out over it, or become overly callous.
You can do whatever you want with your life. If you’re not comfortable with going, then you shouldn’t go.
You should also ask yourself if you’ll be ok in the future with the idea that your and your brother’s opinion about a third person, who isn’t a part about either of your lives, is a valid ground for potentially breaking forever your relationship with your brother. Maybe simply avoiding this topic that creates tensions would be enough?
Neither of you is an asshole.
life is too short to voluntarily deal with fascists, blood relative or not. no reason to go. nta
Yes, this would be an asshole move for sure! You should leave politics behind at least for a day.
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Yeah, OP needs to grow some balls and toughen the fuck up over differing opinions especially to your siblings weddings. You’re letting politics and hypotheticals destory your relationship. I’m not saying you have to agree with him, but you should be able to be mature enough to leave politics, religion when around family.
Skipping a wedding is not a good way to make a point. And it’s one you can’t undo.
My advice is to tell him you two need to have a difficult conversation later. But do so after the wedding. However much you disagree, you can always agree to just think the other is hella stupid and leave it at that.
Lmao “not a good way to make a point” – it’s an excellent one, precisely because it’s so impactful.
Your argument is like “no we should wait, pray, and do fucking nothing” after a school shooting happened.
I cut my sister out of my life and didn’t go to her wedding for similar reasons. I don’t regret it one bit and it has helped my mental health tremendously. However, I didn’t do it to “teach her a lesson,” or “prove anything,” I did it so I could live with myself, and stay true to my values. We all only have limited time and energy on this planet, so think about the way you spend them and what’s most important to you. For me, my biological family is toxic. My chosen family is awesome.
I relate to this very strongly. And maybe it’s not an AITAH type question — I think of it as doing something for myself more than anything else. Sure I might lose relationships with family members but what will I gain emotionally and mentally? And will that outweigh the familial loss in the long run? … Lots to think about
Really? How hard is it to not talk politics.
With right wingers, it’s completely impossible.
Feel free to reach out to me directly if I can be a sounding board or anything. Best of luck…it’s certainly not easy, but for me, it was worth the introspection and effort.
As much as political differences matter, you will not change his mind by not going - but your relationships will get much, much more bitter, and it will be hard to rectify. Many people went through this mistake, and it costed them a lot.
Honor his wedding while keeping to your values. This event has nothing to do with them.
99.9% of these posts boil down to “should I do what I want with my own life?”
Yes, you should do what you want with your own life.
You can do whatever you want with your own life, but many of those things will make you an asshole.
The question posed is “will doing the thing I want to do make me an asshole”
Is being tolerant of assholes an asshole move?
Could be. Tolerance and assholes aren’t binary states, so it depends on the context what the measure is.
If someone intentionally steps on an ant at a funeral, and I decide I’m not going to let it slide and interrupt the eulogy to give an impassioned lecture about how needless killing is immoral, even if it’s an ant, I’d be an asshole.
If I saw some schoolyard bullies beating up a kid and I didn’t intervene I’d be an asshole.
