Every single one of you who attacked Biden and dissuaded turn out for Democrats in November need to sit the fuck down.
Fuck everyone who ever supported genocide.
Haven’t you figured it out yet?
Those weren’t actual Americans.
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Only if you’re pretending to be an American to influence our politics toward fascism, while yourself insulated from the disastrous consequences.
If you’re not, then no, no problem with you.
I live near a college town and I was seeing banners and signs like this everywhere: “Stop genocide; vote 3rd party”.
Today’s kids are so god damn stupid.
“Bu-bu-but how would donvict be any worse?”
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where is your evidence that things would be any different if she won? Is she, or any other democratic leader speaking out against this? They lost and they’re as silent as they were prior to the election?
If I lost against Trump, I’d also be in the “screw it, yall are on your own” train with 'em
Harris is not a real estate developer
Love the comments. Keep blaming brown people for your own fuckups 👍🏽
You want evidence that things would have been different with Harris when no president ever shunned Israel for anything it did, let alone a brutal war in reply to an all-out attack. There is no precedent for what you wanted Biden and Harris to do, it is not something presidents are willing to do, even if they theoretically have that power and influence. Biden even did restrain Israel somewhat, but it wasn’t enough and looked weak. Not like the new guy, right?
I hate to say “I told you so”, but there it is. Nothing is in place to stop Trump and Netenyahu from going truly scorched earth on Gaza and the West Bank now.
Time to see what a real, unmitigated genocide looks like.
I’m sorry but did you think they were using kid gloves before?
There are an estimated 2,000,000 people in the Gaza strip.
We can continue this discussion in 4 years.
There are an estimated 2,000,000 people in the Gaza strip.
And this offends centrists and republicans alike.
Lol wut. We’ve been watching unmitigated genocide for over a year
We wouldn’t be having this conversation if it were an unmitigated genocide because every Palestinian would already be dead.
Israel, courtesy of the US, has enough firepower to wipe out the West Bank and Gaza several times over. Yet it never happens. Why?
Perhaps, Netanyahu and his ilk have something to gain by keeping the conflict active.
But ultimately they want to take the territory. They dream of making Gaza, specifically its beach, a tourist destination.
Trump is going to help make all of this happen sooner than it would have. He wants peace in the Middle East to be one of his legacies and the quickest means to that end is to give Israel what it wants.
You know genocide doesn’t require any death, much less the extermination of the entire population right?
You may have missed the modifier ‘unmitigated’
I’d argue it doesn’t change anything about a genocide
They’re doing it as fast as they think they can get away with.
“Oh he could just carpet bomb all of Gaza and he hasn’t, ever think about whyyyyyyy”?
What an utterly ridiculous premise, and you’re explaining their actions on this? Just so pathetic.
They’re going to think they can get away with it much faster under Trump.
We wouldn’t be having this conversation if it were an unmitigated genocide because every Palestinian would already be dead.
I submit that the Holocaust happened even though there are still Jewish people.
Israel, courtesy of the US, has enough firepower to wipe out the West Bank and Gaza several times over. Yet it never happens. Why?
You seem so disappointed.
The Holocaust was not a territorial dispute. Completely different situation. Also I would not call it an unmitigated genocide. It was mitigated by the efforts of the allied forces.
territorial dispute
Holy fuck. This is now the most disgusting mealy-mouthed euphemism for genocide I’ve ever seen. Shame on you.
Sadly, territorial disputes can result in genocide, as we have seen in this case.
It’s also interesting to see how quickly (in less than a generation) the victims of a genocide can become perpetrators of one. It says something, quite demoralizing, about humanity.
Sadly, territorial disputes can result in genocide, as we have seen in this case.
How nice of you to finally admit that it’s a genocide.
I’m Jewish. The Germans committed an unmitigated genocide for a long time, but here we are talking.
The definition of genocide does not require you to kill all of them.
Israel will never succeed in killing all Palestinians, and they still have committed genocide
The Holocaust was mitigated by the allied forces and their victory in WW2.
By that logic, every genocide was mitigated when it ended
If that’s what you think, then stay tuned!
It’s gonna get so much worse
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Nothing was in place to stop it under Biden , either.
Guess you missed this then Biden Announces Ceasefire Deal Between Hamas, Israel in Farewell Address > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News https://search.app/v45EpUMM6EFahfwTA
Remember when George Bush announced “Mission Accomplished”?
And remember when right after it was announced, Israel attacked Gaza again?
Centrists think people should be happy with the announcement alone.
If that’s what you think, then stay tuned!
Yep, calling it a genocide in 2024 is going to look like the dumbest take ever. I mean it was already an extremely poor take in 2024, but some not very bright people seemed to have bought it. And then they managed to make half the Democrat leadership chant the same dumb thing over and over.
Dunno if this lost the election, but it sure didn’t help.
Yep, calling it a genocide in 2024 is going to look like the dumbest take ever.
Genocide denial is disgusting behavior.
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It’s all you’re doing.
It was a genocide in 2024.
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It’s been a genocide since at least 2024.
It’s been unsurprising watching centrists decide that it became a genocide on January 20.
Repeatedly targeting civilian populations with remote strikes amounts to genocide. Thousands of children have been murdered. Kicking Palestinians out of there homes for Israeli settlers is ethnic cleansing.
are you a paid actor or just blind? clear the fog in your small brain and rethink about what is going on
It is a genocide. Two things can be true at once.
Casually saying just kill them all, wow
No. The other genocide, destroying the cultural identity. The article says he wants to relocate the Palestinians to Jordan and Egypt (no matter what all they’re of those peoples think). And he’s supported by zionists who want to redevelop the Gaza Strip for Israel once the Palestinians are gone
Casually calling nfor a genocide, you mean
As usual, dead silence from the “Democrats bad, Genocide Joe” crowd.
This could have been used at anytime.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leahy_Law
All of the ruling class is complicit in genocideYou’re still getting the same policy you wanted for Gaza. All centrists are.
You don’t know me.
Is Netanyahu committing genocide?
EDIT: The downvotes indicate that some people are feelin’ seen.
genocide bibi, for once, is accurate, it just didn’t catch because it wasn’t as useful to the trump/putin campaign. And it worked.
It’s OK, they wanted this apparently.
Time to face the facts: Those people just wanted Trump to win.
That’s definitely the point.
This is all going to “teach some lesson”…to the Democrats, I presume. Whether anyone will be around to benefit from this supposed lesson remains to be seen…
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Silence, because we all told you Biden’s plan was exactly the same?
Silence, because we all told you Biden’s plan was exactly the same?
Then we should do the math.
If “both sides” are the same on this issue, we cast aside those factors because they cancel out. That means you and yours actively sought the degradation of democracy, rolling back environmental protections, authoritarianism, fascism, a active and open kleptocracy, removal of rights for lgbtq people, and whatever other destructive fuckery this administration does.
Sound about right? I mean, if you hate one side for being genocidal, and equally hate the other side for the same, then surely you would have had the intelligence to choose based on the remaining issues?
You did choose, by action or inaction, and it’s plainly obvious what you wanted.
Yup. if they are same on this issue, people should have had the 95 other aspects where they are different. But again to quote another Lemmy user, “You won’t reason someone out of a viewpoint they’ve never reasoned themselves into in the first place”
I wish I could upvote this more than once.
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It means I will not support anyone engaged in a genocide…
Unless it from my daddy drumph!!
Cool, so it can be expanded.
It already was…
Well, in this case you support the side that will fuck it up even more for Palestinians. But you know, at least we all can “enjoy” your moral superiority.
But you and yours only vocally complain about one of them? Then your morality is worthless.
I complain a lot about Trump… one giant reason I worked to try and get the Harris campaign to denounce the on going genocide, and to pay fucking attention to what the working class is saying, which isn’t “economy is fine, eat cake!”
Bullshit.
A quick trip through your comment history is nothing but pointing fingers at Biden and Harris. You do know people can see that, right?
Do you honestly think lemmy is the only place I do online shit on?
And yes, when the convo is “we.need to.ble voters not Harris for losing”… well, you tend to critique the person to show why they lost…
Silence, because we all told you Biden’s plan was exactly the same?
Biden’s administration has been attempting to hash out a peace deal with the support of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and others.
This genocide you claim to stand against is abso-fucking-lutely going to get worse now that Trump is in office. Hiding behind ‘this was always going to happen’ is a shameful and cowardly stance to take and a pathetic attempt to absolve yourselves of any blame.
Biden’s administration has been attempting to hash out a peace deal with the support of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and others.
Uh huh. I’m sure they were totally fantastic behind conveniently closed doors, in fanfic-land.
Exactly this. I wish I could upvote multiple times…
A peace deal, while supplying the genocider?
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Biden’s plan was to move every currently living being away from Gaza?
Nah, just allow Israel to kill them all in-place.
Biden Announces Ceasefire Deal Between Hamas, Israel in Farewell Address > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News https://search.app/v45EpUMM6EFahfwTA
Biden Announces Ceasefire Deal
One day, centrists will learn that “Announces” and “Accomplishes” aren’t the same thing.
Oh, who am I kidding. Centrists don’t learn.
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Not silence, just more bullshit unfortunately. I’ve seen them continue to defend their position.
Edit: In this post!
where is your evidence that things would be any different if the Dems won? Is Kamala, Genocide Joe or any other democratic leader speaking out against this? They lost and they’re as silent as they were prior to the election?
Are you making up a totally different discussion? Yes, you are…
Apologies colonial master. I have edited my post to articulately prove my point. Fact is, y’all still just blaming browns?
Insult. Appeal to hypocrisy. Butwhatabout…
Do you have anything other than “but what about those other guys?” The discussion is over. You missed it.
Did you answer anything from my edit? No. Have you addressed the blatant racism/islamophobia? No. Okay. Discussion done because you said so. 👍🏽
Yes. You just didn’t like the answer. It was all already answered here, and your appeal to hypocrisy is irrelevant.
And this is why the Democrats lost. Keep antagonizing the left. We aren’t all straight white males with family in North America. To you it’s an equation.
Oh you never saw the deal Biden worked out for peace? I know, I know, it not perfect and fighting will continue. But do not fucking lie and say Biden was not tring for peace.
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Hi! Democrats bad, Genocide Joe. Not sure what you want us to say, this was expected and I would do the same thing again.
Clean it out with US supplied 155 mm artillery shells. To the Muslim MAGA voters, you got what you asked for…FAFO! Zero sympathy. The Orange Nero would like to do the same thing to Blue States.
Zero sympathy.
You never had any to start with. If they were too insignificant to listen to, they are too insignificant to blame. If you want to blame them, admit you made a mistake in ignoring them.
Albert Einstein was 100% correct when he sent his letter to the New York Times. However, even he could not stop family blood feud over a pile of dried rocks. Within in the EU and EEC, we finally learned to maintain peace between the former foes and the Irish are trying to tell the idiots in the Middle East to end the stupidity.
Yep. Now we have the opportunity for state terrorism abroad AND here. And not just thanks to Muslim MAXWA useful idiots, either, but a whole lot of bOtHsIdEs geniuses.
Speaking of which: I see the terrorist group the Proud Boys are seeking revenge.
One of the J6 asswipes was shot and killed, for resisting arrest, in Hobart, IN and thankfully by a sheriff.
Was that after this terrorist was released by donvict?
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Anyone who isn’t a moron knew that would be his plan.
Predict? He literally said it, out loud, before now.
Yeah, Israel was going to try to do this and the US was going to support them no matter what, voters just had a choice between furrowed brows and cheerleading
This is an incredibly apathetic approach to genocide.
Being more emphatic about it hasn’t been effective and it’s not great for my mental health. Things won’t get better if we misdiagnose the problem, we need a better Democratic party, complaining about voters just digs the hole we’re in deeper.
If we’re going to give up and let Israel take the land, we should at least have the decency to bring all the Palestinians over to the US and set them up with enough resources to start over. Unfortunately, the bloodthirsty morons who seem to make all the decisions won’t allow that.
So he supports the Endlösung of the Palestinian question? Just like Netanyahu and his right-wingers?
Aye
The way he can’t even say who’s responsible for Gaza looking like a “demolition site”.
Yes. The guy who intends to “clean out” the United States as well. It really smacks of a familiar thing…can’t really put my finger on it though… certainly must have happened in the past hundred years or so…
Who could possibly have predicted he’d do such a thing?
What’s the opposite of a humanitarian?
A capitalist.
It says it right there in the first word of the title.
lol
War criminal
You guys are fucked for just blaming Muslims. The West does not give a shit about us, and this latest attack from Centrist libs cements it. Gaza, China, Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan, and other brown migrants in NA and EU. Get fucked Dems.
Always been the plan unfortunately.
Yeah clean it out and build trump tower. This was pretty clear from the very beginning.
