And this is why Democrats will keep losing.
Fear of reprisal.
Once all these confirmations are done, you may see senators that voted against mysteriously fall out of windows.
Oh please, even Democrats who did vote for these unqualified fascist will get thorium poisoning.
Appeasement will not save anyone from the night of long knives.
No. Send in Schumer again. Surely it’ll work this time.
I honestly do think they could have pushed through a lot worse than Burgum and Rubio. Hegesth didn’t get a single D vote and also lost 3 R votes but still got approved because they only needed 50 R and 1 VP to tiebrake it.
We cannot stop fascism, the people already voted for it, the most we can do is damage control, and sometimes that means approving selfish assholes who at least aren’t as poisonous as another Russian Plant and/or Fox News Host.
AOC and others who are prepared to fight this bullshit need to spin off their own political party. I figure it would only take the departures of a handful of high-profile progressives to make the whole house of cards fall. The country is being pillaged, and the Dems’ response has been completely fucking impotent. Time to build a new party that isn’t run by geriatric milquetoasts.
spin off their own political party
I think the idea behind organizations like the Democratic Socialists of America and the Working Families Party is to have party-like organizations that work within the Democratic party so they don’t act as “spoilers” given the 2-party system. (I could be wrong about that tho…)
This is how they lose.
If you had a party actually for the people, you would get a lot of the Trump votes as well. Most of MAGA weren’t about racist bullshit or half of what’s happened since the changeover.
They are tired of the corporate and government corruption and Trump promised (lied) to do something about that. We need to offer the same hope without all the hate. We need to offer change without just saying the other side is evil. It isn’t the ‘other side’ that is the problem. It’s the corrupt people in positions of power and the ones that tell you to blame the ‘other side’.
Who the fuck cares about spoiling a vote between mask off and mask on fascist. The democrats are lost we need real leadership.
We need to take it over like those wackadoos toom over the republican party
Exactly. Getting rid of all the shitty Democrats is a tall order, but the Tea Partiers didn’t do that, they just took as many of them down as possible and scared the rest into obedience.
Tea party has a lot of money and nothing else to do but play intrigues for decades.
You cannot adapt this strategy for the masses of people who still need to feed their families.
Not decades. They started in 2010. Trump was elected in 2016.
Fox News and other Murdoch media, Koch brothers… The people behind it have been working on these things since much longer.
I don’t see how “having to feed their family” plays into this at all. Tea Partiers didn’t apply mass numbers at their stunts, just kept showing up. Angry Democrats are not so pressed for time that we can’t muster a few hundred to protest and make a spectacle any time a Democratic politician goes back on a promise.
I also do not find the “money rules everything” fatalism particularly useful. The Democrats keep losing races despite raising more money, and people like AOC still beat entrenched donor-focused politicians.
I am not saying not to do something, i am saying to use the right strategies for what you have.
The Dems dont give a fuck about demonstrations at their places. Neither do the Reps. They give a fuck only about money, or being pressured into doing something.
So you will have to show up with many people and block their events. You will need to organize general strikes. You will need to be armed and fight back if you are attacked.
These things you can do with many people. Pulling strings in intrigue games is not something you can do without money and networks. That is why politics have been built to cater to the people who can, rather than the people who rally on the streets.
That they were so ineffective and unable to mount a campaign against an obvious felonious, grifting, lying rapist is all the proof I need that they’re incapable of leading.
We need to stop pretending their failures began in the campaign. It’s not just that they failed in a monumental election, it’s that they’ve failed to secure courts, failed to build a counter part to the heritage foundation, failed to jail the politicians that attempted a coup when they had power. They are simply not equip to fight the rise of fascism, the same as the liberals of Germany.
It’s too late for that.
No it isn’t and talking that way is not helpful. Although, if you’re ready to give up before experiencing any actual consequences of all this then you weren’t going to be much help anyway.
Remind me after trumps third term.
And people say .ee has the worst responses
10+ brand new accounts commenting in this thread, with 2 of them less than a day old. Did Lemmy get an influx of new accounts or are these bots?
bots
Reddit had a “bug” that banned all NSFW and lgbtq+ subs stating that they were inactive (they were not) and ONLY those subs. So a bunch of people moved here (myself included now that most subs I follow moved here)
Hello, new acct. I have no particular reason for joining besides discovering the existence of this place when booting my android.
Wat?
Probably both!
Some Reddit users. Reddit was A/B testing a zuckservative sub Reddit ban, so spooked people probably. I found my way here thru a Reddit thread.
It isn’t playing nice if you know the people you’re approving are fascists. It makes them rolling over even worse. Republicans had no issue obstructing whenever they felt needed.
I’ve tried talking to Trump voters. It’s fucking impossible because they live in an alternate universe and see a completely different reality than everybody else.
There is no way to get through them tbh. They worship rich people want to be the next wealthy billionaire no matter what the cost. They have no demands of policy net positive for their own countrymen at all.
You are a weird, see it with your eyes, or congress.
How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren’t real?
It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment. The fact that she is able to articulate our current crisis is amazing.
It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment.
I can think of no shoulders more capable.
It should not be on her shoulders only.
It should not, no. But here we are.
Unfortunately everyone else seems to be complicit.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
She’s one of the most prominent progressives in America there are few more appropriate choices.
Democrats will keep losing because that’s their sole purpose.
Ratchet effect.
The Republicans tug on the levers of power pulling everything right.
The Democrats’ duty is to normalize and rationalize while the GOP resets for the next tug.
There are Democrats that do actually care, but the DNC leadership is well right of center and would rather lose to Trump than win with Burnie.
Democrats will always lose because liberals are right of center nimby turds that will continue to worship capitalism as we all burn.
Anyone expecting the Democrats to save them is ignoring this is the first election in decades no state Democrat contested any result and PA, NY, and NV all show results that are statically impossible and obviously manipulated.
AOC is 100% correct.
She’s saying the thing the Radical Tankie Left has been saying since the Clinton Era. It’s good to hear someone in her position repeating the message one more time. But the fact that it has to come from a fringe member of a fringe caucus, rather than - say - Hakeem Jefferies or Dick Durban, is depressing.
We’re so far away from a McConnell style “We’re going to make Obama a one-term President” moment. Liberals simply cannot understand politics as conflict. Its always just make’n deals for your district’s rich friends and stuffing your own pockets along the way.
Liberals ✊✊✊💦💦💦
Updoots to the left
She suggested the full dem party to stop focusing on pronouns and idpol way back when Biden was still on ballots.
She took her pronouns out of her bio which is 100% correct, no one cares about that shit
She took her pronouns out of her bio which is 100% correct, no one cares about that shit
Except for the people with gender neutral names
Do you think that people understand that trans people don’t want to be political? I feel like somehow people are blaming trans people like it is their fault that the republicans decided that they would be the target of hatred.
i have a question - where is Kamala Harris in all this ? She lost the prez race and decided to just give up on her dreams of creating a better USA? This is the perfect moment for her to step up, invite people for resistance, lead that resistance and be the leader she claimed to be.
She was a failed candidate in 2020, picked based largely on identity for VP by a presidential nominee that was really only liked as a remnant from a administration for which he was also picked largely based on identity. Towed the party line during increasing displeasure with the party heads, then failed spectacularly in an election.
Even if I believed she truly had dreams of creating a better USA, it’s best for her to not be prominent member.
Democrats would rather be fascists than fight fascists.
But when you try and run a campaign as off-brand, Mr Pibb, diet-fascists…
Agreed. It has gone too far.
Where are all the 2a folks who are going to stop the ‘tyRAnNicAl gOvERnMenT’
You mean the responsible gun owners who don’t shoot until they have verified the target, cleared the surroundings and are ready to kill?
We’re not quite there yet.
It’s our tyrannical government, so it’s okay.
“Tyranny is only when the evil Commie Leftists tell you that its wrong to call peoppe by slurs.”
– Average 2A supporter mindset
More like they wouldn’t know a tyrant even if one shouted “I’m a fucking tyrant”.
you know 2a extends to every american, not just the ones who want to marry kids?
They’re helping a tyrannical government seize power. Time to exercise your rights.
Not american, watching from the outside
“But both parties are not the same” they screamed as the country burned and the elites on both sides of the aisle lined their pockets off the backs of their suffering constituents.
Come now children and give me your downvotes and paragraphs of bullshit telling me I am wrong.
They may both be shit, but they arent the same…
I mean we’re talking just on paper at this point when the Democrats are enabling these neo-Nazi assholes and not putting up meaningful opposition.
I’ve defended people for both siding shit but damn at this point when you’ve got Democrats passing Laken Riley Act, which allows immigrants to be deported for being accused of fucking shoplifting and Democrats not only voting for Trump’s neo-nazi, dog killing, environment killing nominees and then going on air and waximg poetic about the votes for them. What fucking shitty opposition party is this? It’s not.
Your right, both parties are not the same, ones worse as a enabler of abusers, they’re more pathetic than Trump’s Republicans.
Respectfully i disagree with where you went with this.
The devil is in the details as the saying goes and nuance and minute differences as well as intentions and purposes all matter.
Enabling is not worse than driving an outcome. It may be that the enablers are worse in some instances, but driving the worst outcomes is always worse than taking advantage of it when it’s happening.
It’s always worth it to get to the bottom of events and understand as much as is possible instead of just labeling things as “close enough so it doesn’t matter” that’s just going to l lead to enabling in w different way.
“They are both the same so i voted for the ones i find funniest, because they both the same”
Far as I am concerned, the Geronocrats are the velvet glove worn by the putrid fist called Republican. They may not be the same, but they certainly fit together.
At this point US needs leaders who can mobilize people and spearhead protest marches in the street. AOC is perfectly positioned to call for such protest march. If she does that and become figurehead of the Dem Allies against MuskTrump axis, she might get elevated to same status as MLK and may be even Lincoln. And on that note, why Kamala is quiet ?
Kamala lost and she lost badly. She’s not going to be the figurehead
it wasn’t that badly by the numbers, it was badly by the electoral college….
incidentally trump won every and only states that passed new voter suppression laws….this election was stolen and that’s only one piece of it….
i still hate kamala, but she won.
She lost the ec and the popular vote though
technically but that was hella stolen….
https://youtu.be/F9gCyRkpPe8
And on that note, why Kamala is quiet ?
Kamala Harris is the new Hillary Clinton. The GOP boogeyman and now political poison after she embarrassingly lost to Donald Trump.
Kamala Harris was deeply unpopular both before and during the Biden administration, and (sorry to say it, but it’s true) she was largely picked because there was pressure for Biden to pick a minority female to “balance out” the fact that he was a white man. You know how some people, particularly (but not entirely) on the right, believe that affirmative action means that minorities end up getting positions that they otherwise probably wouldn’t have gotten because someone needs to fill a “diversity quota” or whatever? That’s how a lot of people felt about Harris – picked not because of her qualifications, but because she was a black woman.
She’s basically been the poster child for this as far as the GOP is concerned ever since. And not in a good way. Right now, with anti-DEI sentiment gaining traction in this country at a record pace and DEI initiatives becoming political battery acid, the last thing you want as the face of the movement is someone believed to be the poster child for DEI initiatives run amok.
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I do not think AOC has remote same appeal or adeptness of rhetoric to ever do something like this. Would recommend listening to MLKs speeches if haven’t already. Someone like that will come eventually, but they can’t be forced into that position. Also, the situation has to call for it. If it were possible to wake up and choose to be MLK we’d have a million.
