I mean yeah, makes sense. Russia is a direct threat to us all. Fuck the US if they think their egg prices are more important than European security and not having dictators have their ways.
American. Ashamed to say that i briefly thought, “maybe zelenaky can save us” - like he doesn’t have enough going on! We desperately need for someone strong and charismatic to stand up to orange Jesus!
We had that chance. We picked Biden instead. Now it’s “find out” time.
As a Canadian you can’t trust anything coming out of the Musk /Trump White House. Us in Canada no longer consider them friends.
They’re threatening daily to take Canada by whatever means necessary. That’s not an ally, that’s a threat. Canada needs to protect itself, and the British people are quite right to back Ukraine. Trump is working with Putin to hand Ukraine to Russia. Russia will not stop its ambitions there and it is a threat to all of Europe.
Yesterday Trump threatened to pull US troops out of Europe if the EU did not agree to his and Putin’s plan for Ukraine. It’s a very clear threat: give Ukraine to Russia or we give you to Russia. Of course the USA in its current state would not defend Europe anyway. To me it looks like the plan is for Trump to seize Canada, Greenland, Panama, etc., while Putin grabs as much of Europe as he can.
Under these conditions what is NATO? Trump is deliberately destroying it.
So the UK, Canada and Europe need to stand firm against the alliance of the USA, Russia and those European countries that have gone over to fascism. The very existence of our countries is at stake.
And watch out for the far right at home, in the UK, Canada and Europe. Their loyalties do not lie with their countries, and they’re being bankrolled and supported by powerful people internationally.
Under these conditions what is NATO?
Already-preexisting integration of most EU armies (and the rest aren’t completely out of the loop) as well as Canada Turkey, Norway, and Iceland.
The long and short of it is if the US should bail out of NATO what is left is an absolute behemoth of a force with severe shortcomings in power projection and strategic airlift capacity. The latter only until Ukraine is admitted they have Antonov. Not sure whether we want much power projection but the lift capacity is a shortfall. On the upside we have more than enough stealth subs to stop others from projecting with aircraft carriers.
From the US side, strategically, this is just a self-inflicted wound: There’s a couple of US soldiers in Europe as part of tripwire forces, relevant politically but not in combat terms, the rest is there to project force into the middle east. They’d be giving that up, I wonder what Israel thinks of that. The US would not have been capable to do Iraq or Afghanistan without European bases.
British values on display here, it’s not even marginal (48% for Ukraine vs 20% for Trump’s America).
It’s not often I’m proud of my country these days, but this is one of those rare moments.
Agreed. And hopefully our man Kier can stop cosplaying long enough to follow through on more military support.
I’m worried about the 32% abstaining / having no opinion, though.
I don’t know how the survey was done but if it’s like a phone survey I would imagine that a lot of people would answer “I don’t care” to whatever the question is. They just don’t care about answering a phone survey.
I would hope they were given the option “I do not wish to participate in a phone survey” and that would be removed from the statistic.
i answered one once, it took forever to finish, thats why i never will do one again.
Yeah. Like 30 minutes or something. Why would I want to do that?
There’s always some percentage of people who are ignorant of global issues and want to stay out of things… You’d think they were Farage voters but actually they usually don’t vote
apathy, blissful ignorance , “as long as its not affecting me, why do i care?” that was the general attitude of the people that dint vote this election. anecdotally , its also from the most persecuted groups, lgbtq+
Am UK citizen, can confirm.
Am US citizen living in the UK. Can confirm.
Am UK citizen living in US. Halp.
Happy to send you branstons pickle or Cadbury or something to ease your anxiety, though.
Idk why you think me of all people is gonna help you lol. I’m not trading places. No take backsies! Find a Farage supporter and ask them!
American here and I agree. Our government is a disaster right now so it’s better to focus on something actionable, like defeating Putin.
your government are all nazis. and half of your population are fascists. we (ukraine and eu) can’t trust you, and hopefully we will learn from it this time.
How dare you lob facts at us as if they’re insults…
the NAZIs actually based some of thier systems on the americans racist policies, like segegation and what not. and we never actually eradicated our nazis sympathesizers from the 40s, they just passed it on to the next gen and the next after that.
Yeah I was reading something about this.
The USA was big into eugenics and the Nazis kinda got the idea from them. There was a lot of support for eugenics in the USA in the first half of the 20th century. Sterilisations et cetera.
Am American, 1000% agree.
They’re right too. The US has the luxury of turning a blind eye. The UK and Europe does not.
As they always do. It’s easy to build your “great” empire if all your wars and enemies are far away.
The simple reality is that it is not possible to maintain good relations with the US. Donald Trump is an idiot and a fascist whose agenda is driven by his whims as much as anything else. Starmer could bend over backwards to appease His Orange Majesty on every issue and Trump would still fuck the UK just because.
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Less than a day old account. Troll.
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What a pointless take on the situation. You’ve added nothing of value.
This account (that you responded to) was created a mere few hours ago. It might even have been created purely to troll people, possibly by someone who has gotten used to being banned using a recognizable account name.
On PieFed I find it very helpful to see an icon next to people’s names indicating brand-new accounts. Some Lemmy apps can do that as well (I switched over to Voyager here to see if it would, but nope, at least not by default). Anyway I wanted to point out that it is a very useful feature, for exactly such scenarios as this!
Accounts less than 30 days old can be highlighted in voyager by going to settings > general > comments > new account highlightanator
As you say, probably a troll.
Thanks - I actually had the setting turned on already but triggering it off and back on again caused it to start working properly, for whatever reason. Indeed that is a helpful indicator:-).
Confirmed. British people are low information voters and easily manipulated. See also voting for Boris Johnson
Are you from the UK?
Ha! Imagine western nations listening to their citizens instead of their rulers.
Every country has to wrestle with their own form of oligarchy. There is always a subgroup of power hungry individuals that want to be ruling the kingdom.
Contrary to countries in the East where they have all the freedoms, like, say, China? Russia?
What are you trying to say exactly?
We should be better than that.
I think the UK can use this as an opportunity to improve relations with the EU, or to at least get a trade partner in Ukraine and to take a chunk of Russian assets. You get to be a good guy, and get rich by confiscating Putin’s coffers.
Seriously, send in troops, and maybe the navy if Turkey permits. Do what American’t.
Ask Turkey if they want to join in again for some Crimean War II? We killed a bunch of Russians before, why not again.
Half of our military bases are occupied by the Americans and we need your permission to do anything.
With a little luck the orange shitler will withdraw troops from Europe (yeah, no, I don’t dare to dream)
American here: no objections whatsoever. This is the correct answer. Our government is a bag of dicks, and a lot of us hate it too.
A heart breaking romance.
“Hey US, I think we should take a break. It’s not me, it’s you… I know you’ve been cheating on me with Putin”
Coming soon to a theater near you.
Still a better love story than…
Actually, no, it’s not.
