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Zen, absolutely love the workflow and the fact that it is not chromium based.
Waiting excitedly for ladybird, it is already very impressive but still years left until it is daily drive able
I like zen a lot but I’m struggling to drag a tab from one window to another. The sidebar always collapses on the target window before the tab gets there. Any tips?
Perhaps right click on the sidebar -> disable compact mode? I haven’t had any issues moving tabs between windows, but then again I keep the sidebar persistent
Basically a firefox skin, although they have a VPN as a sponsor, did somebody did a thorough check on that browser?
I still use firefox despite their questionable leadership, for one major reason: it prevents Google from setting whatever web standards they want. Sites that aren’t standards compliant will usually still work in Chromium-based browsers, but they will break in Firefox, and then I can report the bugs.
Firefox. And Thunderbird. And donate to Mozilla.
Don’t really see the point in using a fork that, by the time you boil it down, just takes Firefox’s work and then releases it later.
I want a Google and Apple alternative and I’d rather support it at the top of the chain.
My issue is that while i am concerned about privacy, i’m more concerned with security patching. And none of these smaller browsers have the resources to turn around security fixes as quickly as firefox or chrome.
Firefox is the least of the concerns as long as we have the config options to disable anything deemed not privacy-respecting.
This is the only good critique in this entire thread (thank you) BUT librewolf is on the exact same version as Firefox. It appears their updates are pretty fast.
Would you have config recommendations beyond the obvious?
I’m probably not the best person to talk to about Firefox hardening. Because… I don’t. I only go as far as using firefox containers.
My threat model is to counter:-
- ISP data logging
- government filters
- region blocking
- hyper-personalised marketing
I use a VPN for the first three, and I use Ublock, and don’t use google/meta/twitter/amazon/ebay for last.
I personally believe it is impossible to escape fingerprinting unless you’re on Tor Browser, but using Tor paints you as a target in my country per the first item above.
I also work in financial services, and am a user of my company’s product. We do significant ‘device intelligence’ and ‘behavioral intelligence’ on client devices, auth attempts, and actions taken in sessions. Log in too many times from too many different (seemingly) devices, user agents, IP addresses, regions, etc and it increases our customer risk assessment of you. Tick over a threshold and your account falls under enhanced customer due diligence. Tick over another threshold, and we’ll set auto-blocks until we can investigate. I assume that any other financial services provider worth their salt would do the same to counter fraud, money laundering, and meeting sanctions.
I basically use a split tunnel VPN. VPN traffic for general browsing, email, etc. And looking as much as a regular user as possible when accessing financial services, government websites, etc.
And yeah, agree LibreWolf is great. Only downside for the average user is the lack of an auto-updater. So the only tweak i’d do with LibreWolf would be to set up a cron/systemd timer to update it nightly.
Thank you for typing this out! :) It was helpful
I have found Mozilla’s sync across devices handy, but now I’m in the process of moving over to using Vanadium on my GrapheneOS phone and FireDragon on desktop.
FireDragon started out as a Librewolf fork, but is more recently based on Floorp. They are still keeping in sync with Librewolf’s privacy enhancements, with some of their own thrown in. I like that the default search engine is Garuda’s instance of Searx, with Whoogle as another option if you don’t want to self host. FireDragon will also sync your Firefox account off Garuda’s server instance if you like (which would be more useful if I weren’t going with a Chromium fork on mobile). The Garuda project is certainly looking more trustworthy than Mozilla these days.
unholy sentence (1st of second paragraph)
Reminds me of gink
Gotta say, you have a point. Too lost in the privacy sauce to really notice it earlier. ;)
I use several, depending on use case:
- Tor Browser for general and anonymous web browsing (e.g. reading news, looking up stuff, and so on)
- Mullvad Browser as a clear web alternative for general use
- Librewolf for generally logging into sites with personally identifiable accounts (e.g. to buy stuff)
- Ungoogled Chromium for those few sites which only work with a Chromium-based browser, or other specific cases
- On Android (GrapheneOS): Tor Browser and Vanadium
All regular browsers have some hardening applied and uBlock Origin installed.
Do you script it so when it is an Ebay/Amazon link, Libre Wolf is opened? Or you just remember to do so?/
Switched to Librewolf on Linux and Ironwolf on Android. But looking forward to Ladybird!
Do you mean IronFox or is there another fork I didn’t know yet
Ah yes, Ironfox on mobile of course, thanks.
Firefox, while I dislike their new FAQ and TOS I build it from source and the TOS does not apply.
I wish they would make Firefox Sync a self hostable product that they also host for you for like 5 bucks a month. I would pay for it (or any other way to directly give money to FX instead of Mozilla) like I do for Bitwarden.
Aren’t their services you can use to sync bookmarks and such like Floccus?
Yes, but I actually would pay them for their services if they guarantee me that they will use that money to improve Firefox and Firefox services. I want to be a premium user of Firefox, but instead of trying to monetize their core userbase they annihilate them.
I actually like their advertising business idea and their other services and I understand that they need money but is whay they are doing right now really the best way?
Gnome browser, I’d use ladybird but it’s not ready yet
https://qutebrowser.org/ and Librewolf
I’ve been using Zen for the past couple days and it’s absolutely spectacular. I really really been enjoying it.
It claims to be a fork of Firefox but there’s still Firefox under the hood and you can tell. But I find that it runs significantly faster than Firefox standard. So who knows. The author seems to be making it as ambiguous as possible so I would think that it’s a soft fork that’s basically stock Firefox with a few minor changes and a new look.
librewolf
The Gnome browser (epiphany?) is actually quite good. But when I’m on windows I use Zen. On GrapheneOS I use IronFox.
I also recently tested Ladybird. It’s still not usable for daily use, but I’m excited for it.
Librewolf, it’s Firefox but without the evil.
FF is evil now?
Fx*
I fail to understand the question mark at the end of your sentence.
It’s a casual English language construction of the 90s. It’s equivalent to “FF is evil?” And implies that the writer believes that it didn’t used to be.
Still using Firefox. They mean well. Wish I could say the same of chrome.
I use Firefox as my main browser. I use the multi-account containers extension in Firefox to seperate my browsing activities. Brave is installed as a backup in case firefox fails me. I use TOR browser for searching for stuff that I don’t want linked to me.
