President Volodymyr Zelensky left the White House early without signing a mineral deal with the United States following a heated exchange with President Donald Trump on Feb. 28.
Zelensky departed in his motorcade around 1:45 p.m. local time, without holding a joint news conference scheduled for later in the day, after the two leaders got into a heated argument while speaking with journalists in the Oval Office.
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CNN reported that following the exchange, Zelensky and Trump left to separate rooms, with the Ukrainian delegation wanting to continue talks with the Trump administration.
Trump later ordered his officials to tell the Ukrainian officials to leave the White House, despite protest from the Ukrainian delegation.
Trump and Vance are total imbeciles. Fucking toddlers are more coherent.
France should gift a bunch of nukes to Ukraine. Seriously the EU lacks the manufacturing capacity to properly arm Ukraine without US deliveries and keep their own stockpiles at an adequate levels.
Europe should call ruzi bluff with immediate boots on the ground pushing ruzkies back to the border. Secure the airspace and fucking fry the orcs. Done with minimal european casualties.
Everyone’s pissing in the boot while Europe suffers economic and cultural damage that will indirectly kill many more people than a swift defense would have.
This is how WW3 starts.
No, that’s how it’s prevented. Putin cannot endure a united Europe entering the fray.
Europe cannot win a war against Russia alone. There’s ammo for a full month of war. Good luck.
You have no concept of reality if you believe russia has a chance against NATO.
I’m not talking about NATO. I’m talking about Europe on its own. You need to work on your reading comprehension.
I know what you wrote.
Are you aware of NATO’s article 5?
Russia can’t win a war against one smaller neighbour with everything it has. Putin cannot handle a dogpile. He also has to concern himself with nukes.
Spin up your production. Buy a bunch of our ammo. It’ll be in better hands.
Europe isn’t alone. Ukraine has your back.
No, this is how you deal with russians.
Believe it or not, their whole foreign policy posture is about keeping people scared and allowing them to control the initiative.
All they gotta do is start drone striking Russian oligarch vacation homes
All of Putins homes. All at once.
And sinking any remaining yachts.
Possibly, but unlikely. There is a more likely scenario:
If the Russia wins in Ukraine and manages to take over the whole country, it will be emboldened and will attack another country quite soon. Maybe we will let the Russia have that country as well, after which the Russia will attack once another country. Each time it will be more experienced and stronger. At some point we’ll decide we have to stop the Russia, and then we’re likely to have WW3.
Putin is a master of bluff. But a funny thing is that that’s the only thing he’s good at. And that’s the only thing he does. Which means that we know that everything he ever claims is always bluff. He is very afraid of taking actual decisions, and any red lines he claims to have are all just bluff. He won’t react to anything.
The only way to escalate with the Russia is to be inactive. The more inactivity you show, the more the Russia feels safe to attack. The more activity you show against the Russia, the less it dares to act.
It scares me that people fail to understand this. Look, no one is suggesting that Americans, or other NATO countries should put their “boots on the ground” in the Ukraine war. But fuck, give them all the weapons they need asap. Stop being a bunch of pussies in deciding whether to give weapons to Ukraine or not. If they had gotten all the weapons they needed sooner, there’s a good chance this war would have been over.
It’s how WW3 ends.
Zel should fly to another country in EU for mineral deal
“Heated exchange”.
What are they talking about?? An exchange requires at least two participants. Zelenskyy was trying to keep it cool while Trump and Vance (mainly Trump) just spoke over him. That wasn’t a heated exchange, it was a fucking loser having a tantrum while others watched, not quite believing what they were seeing. Having Trump keep talking about Zelenskyy basically being responsible for his citizens dying and bullets flying etc made me sick. The absolute lack of compassion from this orange twerp is incredible. What a cunt.
For a guy who said he’s not gonna start any wars, he sure is acting like a guy who’s gonna start a war.
He wasn’t ordered. He left on his own accord.
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What is the context of this comment? It seems like you’re ignoring the article, but if you know something I don’t, I’m all ears.
I haven’t seen that reported anywhere. Source?
You want me to provide a source for a negative?
Ok. I watched the whole exchange… No one told him to leave.
No it was right after, when they were supposed to eat and sign.
Yes, I would want a source saying that Ukraine chose to cancel the other events and leave the White House.
But it seems like you misinterpreted the article to mean they were ordered to leave on-camera. It happened well after the media availability.
Ok. Here’s a screenshot of the above synopsis of this article where it says that the Ukrainian president left in his motorcade and then later Trump ordered his officials to leave the White House.
I see nothing in any artical where Zelenskyy was given an express order to leave the White house.
It’s an article, not a chronological timeline. They expand upon things as you read further down. This is how almost every news article is written. Go back to first grade.
So, he left in his motorcade, then left to separate rooms, then was ordered to leave?
Or, more likely, you have the reading comprehension of a first-grader.
Let me explain what those words mean for your under-educated self. Zelensky and Trump went to different rooms, Trump ordered the Ukrainians to leave, and then Zelensky leaves in his motorcade.
It’s sad people like you get to vote, but it explains a lot about the state of the world.
Wow the confidently incorrect is strong with you.
It literally says that zielinsky left in the motorcade and then Trump ordered his staffers to tell zelinsky staffers to leave the White House.
Zielinsky was never ordered to leave the White House he left on his own accord then his people were ordered to leave after he left.
It even says Trump later ordered his staff to leave.
Your considerable amount of smug is choking the life out of me.
According to you: they left in their motorcade, then left to separate rooms, then were ordered to leave. This is the order in which it was written and that’s what you think the order of events is.
Just when you thought you couldn’t get any more embarrassed being an American.
This is a great window into how Trump, Vance and MAGA do business.
Bully. Yell. Lie. Threaten.
You think you’re as embarrassed as you could be? We’re just getting started. You can’t even see rock bottom from where we are now.
Americans will only start to feel embarassment when they need to apply for asylum in other countries to escape the housefire they started. Good luck with that, btw. Oh yeah, and that day still won’t be close to bottom. Friendly reminder that the turnover for food in the USA without resupply is 3 days.
Vance is the most cringe here. I swear if old age gets to Trump in the next four years Vance will do more damage to the American reputation that can be salvageable in the next decade or more.
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As a naturalized American, you have every right to say so.
If you were one who lived in USA and didn’t vote for him, what would you do to not “let this happen”?
As an American who didn’t make that mistake, I heartily agree.
I want to be clear this is the doing of Republicans in America they are evil.
It’s gonna be interesting watching to see if all the “All Russian people are complicit because they don’t rise up and kick Putin out” crowd actually put their money where their mouths are and show them how it’s done, or if it was all bluster.
To be clear, I hope it’s the former but I think it’s the latter.
Honestly, we – as Americans – are all complicit.
Then do something about it. If you’re still too hesitant or worried to show up to protests, then from Europe with love: Fuck you, go to hell.
There really aren’t many protests.
Unlike support for Trump in the US, support for genocidal imperialism among russians is at minimum a strong majority if not an overwhelming majority. The majority holds across all demographic segments; age, education, rural vs. urban, income.
At the point is usually when you hear arguments such as “all russians are afraid, they are all secret liberals” or “how can we truly know what russians think”.
It turns out that people that people who work in this areas do have methods of not only accounting for preference falsification, but even estimating it’s scope.
And even adjusting for preference falsification you still have at least a strong majority openly supporting imperialism and genocide.
Is this situation the same for support for Trump in the US?
Is this situation the same for support for Trump in the US?
I haven’t gone too in-depth into this, but a quick search show a 50/50 split in favorable vs unfavorable opinions of Trump. Last time I took a look, serious pollsters who found interesting ways of measuring support for Putin in Russia without endangering those participating found generally a 33/33/33 split between those in favor of Putin, those against, and those with no opinion (part of the intentional depoliticizing of the Russian population).
So, I guess it’s vaguely accurate to say there’s more people that dislike Trump in the US compared to Putin in Russia, but also more people that like him.
50% favourable (not net) is still a lot, but nowhere near as bad as in Russia were support for the annexation of Crimea was at 85% between 2014 and 2021 with no real preference falsification.
Do you a source on the 33/33/33 split in Russia? Genuinely curious, I try to read as much as I can on this and keep an up to date DB of relevant research pieces.
I of course disagree that just 33% of russians support putin. Multiple research works show much much higher numbers. But to be honest, I just want to check out the research.
It’s really hard to find on Google considering this was an academic paper from 3 years ago, but generally the big problem with polling in Russia is that for obvious reasons Russians are scared to give their honest opinions. If asked over the phone what they think of Putin, every politically neutral Russian and even some anti-Putin activists will say they approve.
From memory, the methodology they used was to give 3 propositions unrelated to Putin (less contentious policy decisions) and the respondents were only asked how many of the statements they agreed with, not which ones. Then they did the same thing again with 4 propositions (4th one being if they approve of Putin), then a 3rd time (this time with the 4th one being if they disapprove). With those 3 datasets, you can then essentially subtract the 3 unrelated propositions from the 4th one they actually cared about, all without requiring the respondent to actually state their opinion on the phone.
Yes, list experiments. There are several research papers with such methodology that I am aware of that cover russian support for the invasion of Ukraine. One shows 65% support for the full scale invasion (even after preference falsification adjustments). Another one regarding annexation of Crimea shows 80% support with no preference falsification (i.e. full alignment with other polling methods); an overwhelming majority of russian really do support the annexation of Crimes; the first stage of their invasion of Ukraine.
And even logically, the mere existence of preference falsification doesn’t inherently means that it is impossible for a strong majority of russians to be supporters of genocidal imperialism. The preference falsification would be have to be significant (which needs to be shown empirically).
The 33% support figure conflicts all other research on this topic (using any methodology), that’s why I was asking.
No worries if you don’t don’t a have link. I might do some random searches using 33% as a base. Cheers!
I have never been more ashamed to be an American, and have felt like I’m saying this increasingly often. This dude is a man of his people coming to hope and keep aid to be able to fight Putin and these dudes ridiculed and heckled him. They were giving him shit for not wearing a suit. Fucking assholes. Anyone who keeps up knows that’s for good reason. He’s showing solidarity with the soldiers, his citizens, that are fighting for their god damned homes and families. This deal was never going to go. It was a setup for Trump and Vance to stroke their pathetic micro penis egos. Fucking disgraceful.
It’s people sitting there that just a year ago condemned Russia, but now since Putin bought the little goblin emperor or seduced him or whatever, all sycophant now turn their coat to secure a spot in his fascist dictatorship.
People will soon start to be killed and hunted and if you are not ready it will be hell. You can never know if the narcissist mythomaniac in the god emperor position chooses an attribute you have for eradication. Nobody can be safe. He may slay his own staff or innocents at any moment. You can not be safe until you reacquire your union from this insane death cult. Rise, or if not at least gtfo while you can. Mark my words, soon, people will start to die. We can know this from how unphased the self proclaimed genius is when zel mentions the kids being raped, and nothing is said about it being wrong. At all nothing wrong with invading breaking international war crimes, obviously letting soldiers ransack, rape, and compulsively against his now meaningless signature breaking ceasefire, within hours. With hate in his heart and an iron grip on his people he too is a bruised ego that transformed into a psychopath warlord lacking humanity the last hope of which he lost decades ago.
And how quickly the sycophants all fall in line, unanimously showing zero respect for the slaughtered children and soldiers. Not even a single sycophant in the room reacts when zel points out that they are defending their homeland. They are not the aggressor. The god emperor never speaks ill of the aggressor. He makes his choice clear. He is extorting zel with his ability to reduce weapon support. Then he says zel plays with ww3. It’s typical cluster b narcissistic destructive psychosis. It’s openly they show they want to cultivate their oligarchy and become a dictatorship. They even do not hide it. But they do try to make a little theatre. They have shut down all ability to reflect.
The sick emperor has a weaker grasp of his own language. The manchild emperor doesn’t even understand his obligation to defend the baltics, or probably even where they are. He doesn’t understand what zel is saying. He replies with poorly written messages meaning nothing meant only to boost and pretend he is responsible for everything good even small petty obviously fabricated claims. he chooses he has done or thought out, and proudly shuts of his own ability to reflect on any failure cementing his ignorance and frustratingly meager capability to grasp real reality. Everything he fails is a misunderstanding. He randomly spouts a year to look educated on the conflict. To the man leading his country that is being attacked. About when the first attack came. It is so bizarrely evil and dangerous that you let this mentally ill decide the fate of so many while blaming the victims themselves. It is insane. The disgusting emperor even can not figure out after so many years that the terrorist warlord he has been seduced by and became a fan of, has been killing and plans to kill anyone in his way, using war crimes and other insane weapons despite promising not to. He thinks he will be in the oligarchy, a part of the 10 people that is in the dictatorship. He will not. Because he is easy to fool.
So embarrassing, yeah, but also, in the meantime cruise missiles are continually falling, and the only one that can stop that is fucking usa air defense or the psychopath himself and they chose to not speak ill of the killers even for a second, but lambasts zel for insane shit such as not saying thanks, when he has said it several times.
It was political ambush. A theatrical performance of poorest quality. The senile dictator has only pure childish fear inside. A fear of becoming irrelevant. This drives him to clinical mythomania. Please be careful and stay safe.
He should fly to Brussels to discuss Europe’s offer. They won’t tell him repeatedly that he should be more thankful.
Americans are cowards for letting Russia take over their country
Yeah, but we’re rocking a steady 1.21 gigawatts off Ronald Reagan’s spinning corpse.
Can someone tip me in on why Trump insists on sucking Putin’s pee pee?
Murica died with a whimper!
It died with the sound of Putin’s balls being gurgled by Republicans
We’re dying by a type of asphyxiation caused by sniffing our own farts for almost a hundred years.
The greatest bigly whimper
Hard to dispute.
Thank the senile Joe Biden for that.
No
That was the plan all along. It was a set up.
Zelensky blew it up too soon honestly. The whole asking JD Vance was not disciplined and let his emotions take over. Granted he’s got a lot on his plate, but that was a strategic negotiation mistake on his part.
Seeing all of Europe line up behind Z. I think things worked out far better than he hope for. Heck, just for driving a wedge between the US and Europe putin might shake Z’s hand. Talk about mission accomplished.
True, he did gain a lot of respect despite messing up the negotiation.
There was never going to be a negotiation, so best is to make Krasnov Trump and Vanker look like fools for messing up the meeting and failing to get a deal.
Trump doesn’t even know how to spell “negotiation”. Blame it on your sub-par education system. Are you also from the US? I bet you are. We can tell.
This was never a negotiation. It was a Shakedown.
I can’t believe you did that. you commented on something you knew nothing about. what a rookie mistake. now you’re going to sit there and pout while everyone laughs at how stupid you look. granted you’ve got nothing on your plate in comparison, but whooo…what if you did?
That’s too many sentences for saying nothing.
Americans, I expect you to fight rhis bully.
Please, grow a fkin pair and start fighting back. You don’t want to be regretting your lack of fighting back while you can.
Rage against rhe machine please.
Problem is most of us are under personal attack, so we don’t have the ability or energy to fight for others. And since the personal attacks are of a potentially violent or otherwise life threatening nature rather than simply a political one, it means many of us can’t afford to stand up.
That assumes most Americans are against what Trump is doing which is not the case based on election results. And unlike the civil war for slavery its not like opposing sides are neatly divided by regions this time around either.
It’s more like a random mixture of differing sides living side by side, so rage against the machine would end up looking more like neighbors carrying out reenacting their favorite moments from the Purge movies and just what looks like indiscriminate mass murder between civilians. Not even state vs state.
How? Like tell us how. You want us to try and kill people in the streets? Or maybe continue with the protests that are happening? You want us to civil war? I’m just waiting for how us Americans can take out Trump and the republican party. And before you answer look at your country and population and size and compare it to the united states before you say just grow a pair, you can come and suicide yourself trying to take on a assassination attempt if you want, maybe you grow a pair. So if you dont have a real solid plan for how,I don’t wanna hear shit from you
He won the election. He destroyed the Democrats. More than half the country voted for him. This is what they wanted. You might not like it but you’re gonna have to accept that even though the majority of Lemmy and Reddit agree with you, you’re still the minority compared to the rest of the country. You’re telling us to fight back against this president that you don’t like. Be the change you want to see. Change the minds of everyone around you.
The Democrats destroyed themselves. Constructed opposition at best. Shamefully inept at worst.
A German before WWII wouldn’t change a word. Shame.
That’s not an argument dipshit hit us with your competent plan to turn this around and we’ll join behind you but all you’ve offered is derision and haughty quips.
That’s not for me to say, I’ve never been to the US (fortunately). But I can think of a few option.
Massive strikes, for weeks. Boycots. Protests. Violence. Courage.
I’m portuguese. Go check our revolution in 1974, my father was part of it. It is possible if you want, people actually have the power.
Maybe start trying instead of insulting and being defensive. Like I care if you offend me on the internet.
That’s an actual argument though not at all a plan, yes we all hope things turn around, talking shit on the Internet from your high horse isn’t productive and you’re more likely to turn people off of what you’re saying then turn them onto it.
Maybe start trying instead of insulting and being defensive.
I didn’t stay the insulting and offensive behavior, you did.
Like I care if you offend me on the internet.
You can be high horse javi or you can be crybaby carl, it’s very weird to try to be both.
Now let’s look into the Portuguese revolution there’s been like 6 and mmm maybe 4 in the last hundred or so years. Let’s give you the benefit of a doubt and say you might be old enough your parent was in either the 1910 or 1974 revolution.
74 also called the carnation revolution, mostly non violent which is kinda dope. Any idea where they got the carnation idea? I do, it was the 1967 March on the Pentagon and one of the most famous protest photos of all time. Now this sounds great but it’s a bit hidden behind the two decades of colonial civil war prior to the revolution. So we’re exactly 19 years and like 320 days ahead of that schedule.
Let’s take a look at 1910, again the prelude being colonial civil war and this time one they lost and were made to retreat by the English in 1890. So that’s 30 years of strife and internal wars so again we’re 29 years and about 320 days ahead of schedule on that one too.
Tell me how we speed run this thing since we don’t have colonies to send into civil war che.
Hey, you win. I’m not discussing the history of my country with you. You’re clearly very smart, very good at checking Wikipedia.
That point where you believe the “Carnation idea” came from the US is so american - you guys really think you’re the center of the world. Get your facts straight, Wikipedia sometimes isn’t enough. In case you’re interested, the lady who sold the first carnation flowers (that were then used, reminding of your 67 thing) probably didn’t even know how to read, it was an organic movement. She died this year, in case you wanna read about her. Of course, we gotta thank the US, because our revolution wouldn’t have happened if we couldn’t insipire ourselves on the almighty godly smart Americans.
My father participated, yes - I don’t care if you believe it or not, he was 20 at the time. He was sent to the TV Station near Porto to avoid it being taken over by the government (propaganda). He had just returned from a war he didn’t want to fight against the liberation movement of the colonies, in Mozambique.
Just sit and wait for the next elections that might never come. And in the meanwhile, come here and insult people who are scared of what your country might do to Europe.
I’m out mate. A bit of humbleness would do you good, but I’m afraid your head is too deep in the sand for you to realize that. No point answering cause you’ll be left alone.
Good thing you don’t need to read to understand a photograph that was literally everywhere because of how powerful it was.
Again, not helpful just preachy. Your country had civil war or colonial uprising for 50 out of a hundred years. We all have our issues and we’re trying to solve them, this high horsed bullshit really isn’t helping anything. You don’t have any actual ideas about how to solve it you just have haughty quips and weird self righteousness.
No one asked you to be in mate. As it would you, help out instead of talking shit.
That’s all they have, They sit behind a keyboard raging at the world because things aren’t the way they want. All that energy would be better placed in looking for solutions.
Incredibly shameful.
