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The EU foreign policy chief has declared that “the free world needs a new leader”, as European leaders threw their support behind Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, after the stunning White House confrontation between him and Donald Trump.
Leaders from across Europe expressed their solidarity with the Ukrainian leader after the fractious exchange with JD Vance, the US vice-president, and Trump, who claimed he was not “ready for peace” and accused him of “gambling with world war three”.
Although in general, the European leaders did not name the US president, their comments late on Friday laid bare the gaping rift between the US and its traditional allies in Europe over the war in Ukraine.
In a social media post, Kaja Kallas, the EU high representative for foreign affairs and security policy, wrote: “Ukraine is Europe! We stand by Ukraine. We will step up our support to Ukraine so that they can continue to fight back the aggressor.
“Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge.”
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European leaders should have a summit in the oval office to sign an agreement to protect Ukraine. Each leader should bring their own ceremonial pen with which to sign the agreement. The summit should be on 15th March.
What is SS gonna do, shoot all the leaders of western europe?
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Are they going to send European weapons, or will they buy American weapons and send them to Ukraine?
Each will send their old or excess stock, or newly manufacturer weapons.
Some of the old stock may include weapons bought from the US previously, but it’s very unlikely Europeans will be buying new weapons and supplies from US to give to Ukraine. France, Germany Italy, Spain and the UK all have significant arms manufacturing ability and have ability to scale up quickly. (Reference)
Many European leaders (including business leaders) are extremely reticent to enter into new supply deals of any kind with the US given the recent trade volatility.
The only reason Europe refrained from being a weapons powerhouse was part of our ally with America after WW2 was that they would do it and profit. Now Europe can be like “🤷 Oh well, guess we’ll be the MIC now” and shady weapons dealers will be like “Sorry America, better business elsewhere where they don’t skimp on materials and safety inspection.” Also people don’t remember just how much more dependent America is on the rest of the world than anyone is dependent on America. Putin is glad not because he’s gonna win Ukraine, but he managed to hop over Europe entirely and headshot America successfully. I think Putin could die happy of his mysterious health problems knowing he successfully carried Russia to victory vs the USA.
In a way jt is fascinating to watch the US goverment dismantle their empire on fast forward. With this single “conversation” they undermined every security deal they had anywhere in the world.
Wonder if some hardliners from CIA or such will decide to sort out this threat to their power, or will they just accept going down.
Deep state is having a nap I guess.
I don’t mean that facetiously, honestly surprised the CIA is just chill with everything.
They don’t have a problem with fascists. They don’t have a problem with idiots. They have a problem with leftists who want to make the world a better place.
I get that their main goal is keeping the proles down, but you’d think there’d be some protection of american hegemony and soft power, it has made a small group of people a lot of money and given them outsized influence of the world.
CIA and America as a whole are no longer a viable way for that small group of people to get a lot of money. What you’re seeing is the MIC divesting from America to a more productive country, like Ukraine or China.
Wonder if some hardliners from CIA or such will decide to sort out this threat to their power, or will they just accept going down.
They kind of have to do something, if they don’t they’ll probably end up being “doged” for lack of accomplishments.
Oh no, who will destabilize other country?
Russia, probably.
With this single “conversation” they undermined every security deal they had anywhere in the world.
I disagree. If it was a single conversation the world would be shocked but they could still cover it up. Politicians say dumb shit and walk it back all the time.
It’s the fact that his first term was already such a blundering mess in terms of diplomacy, combined with the fact that he somehow got re-elected, the accelerating bullshit ever since and now finally this mess. If they hadn’t been chipping away at any international goodwill so thoroughly, the response would be closer to “I can’t believe a US president would say that” rather than “the US as a whole is no longer reliable”.
This isn’t about supporting Europe or NATO or Ukraine. This is about not capitulating to a hostile dictatorship that likes to invade other people‘s territories without provocation. 
It’s always the same thing, a state that used to work “together” with russia no longer want’s to be a slave to russia and work with other countries.
Russia doesn’t want that, so they attack.
It happened to Georgia before it happened to Ukraine.
I can’t find it right now, but there was actually an interview where someone asked Donald Trump about the Russian invasion of the Crimea area and he didn’t know how to respond & came off sounding like a complete dickhead 
If you find it, please mention/DM me.
Exactly. How much of your country and resources will you be willing to give up when Russia and their useful idiot comes knocking? If the answer isn’t everything, you should probably help Ukraine make a stand now before the “peace deal” results in loosened sanctions and before Russia starts to re-arm.
Zelensky know its a bad deal, no concessions on Putin’s part, and also he’s not physically there, sent his golden retriever so his bidding
Well, yeah, but that happened back in the '60s with Vietnam. What we’re seeing here isn’t America becoming the villain, it’s America becoming the kind of incompetent villain that even their minions turn on.
I do hope that Trump is the galvanizing force that pushes the people of the EU (and perhaps others) towards Ukraine support, as well as everything else Trump and the right hate. The far right is gaining too much support, but if your average right leaning or moderate EU citizen sees just how bad it’s working out for the US, it might chill that movement a bit. At least, I hope so.
I do hope that Trump is the galvanizing force that pushes the people of the EU (and perhaps others) towards Ukraine support, as well as everything else Trump and the right hate
Why do you think that the EU and others haven’t been supporting Ukraine? They have.
Did I imply that? EU has done more than the US on this issue, but to galvanize in this context means to excite or stimulate. After 3 years it’s rather easy to grow complacent, and scenes like this remind people to remain pissed off.
Yes you did imply that.
To “push someone towards supporting Ukraine” implies that they are not currently and have not been supporting them. You can’t move towards a position you currently hold.
You could have said “I hope it strengthens their support” or “…pushes them to continue supporting…”. I reacted because there’s lots of people in the US thinking Europe has done nothing and it’s all been the US, which is straight Trump/Putin disinformation.
I don’t think the right-leaning EU citizens recognise this as a problem with the right. It’s too easy to say this is “an America specific problem” and “We’d never vote in a dumbass such as Trump.”
I honestly think this kind of learning will happen here absolutely not at all.
Yeah, unfortunately with how people think, you’re probably right. The average person anywhere isn’t noticing a global trend here.
nope, people vote anti-woke candidates because the algorithm feeds them woke-gone-mad bullshit. I really wonder how people would think if much of our interactions and media consumption wasn’t based on algorithm blindly steering towards engagement.
That’s crazy. So americans are full on terrorists now? They should be put on a flight risk list so no one has to deal with them except themselves
That’ll trap vulnerable people in the States, potentially to be lynched. Much as I would love to support a blanket, don’t allow crazy out of crazytown, there’s sane people trapped there that should be allowed to flee.
These Americans can’t use their 2nd ammendment rights to defend themselves and suddenly that’s now other countries problem? No thank you, let Americans clean up their own mess. They can either work on their own country or apply for asylum like every other refugee, so long as they’re triaged long after the countless millions of refugees already displaced by Americans, or the ones culturally developed enough to have already moved out to Europe and contributed to our society can stay but the ones who fuck up their country and bail? Fuck off. No matter, most Americans don’t even have a passport anyway (their object permanence only extends from LA to Boston.)
This is what REAL strength looks like…not the pseudo-macho bullshit that Trump and Vance just tried to pull.
Do these imbeciles realize that they are making America look the weakest it’s ever been? No they don’t because they’re a bunch of dumbasses.
Weak, untrustworthy, and difficult to even be allies with.
There are very few, if any, world leaders who acted as unhinged as dumb and dumber did.
Like Trump has said before, only he matters.
He’s actually went and said that?! Where? 😳
Thanks!
Is that kind of utterances why he got reelected? 🙃
More than weakness, it stinks of incompetence. Vance was obviously there to start a fight to make Zelensky look bad so they could leverage him.
Except they were so obvious about it that he came off as the winner. They cannot even set a proper trap (thank God).
I’ve been trying to think what the Trump / Vance plan was. Like you said, it was obvious that Vance was there to pick a fight. But I couldn’t tell if they were legitimately trying to blow up diplomatic relations like they did, or if they thought they were going to get the upper hand in exploring Ukraine for their natural resources.
Either way, it was disgusting to watch.
disgusting to watch
Many people said they were embarrassed for the U.S.
But I couldn’t tell if they were legitimately trying to blow up diplomatic relations like they did, or if they thought they were going to get the upper hand in exploring Ukraine for their natural resources.
It was a show for Putin. A test of loyalty.
Just look at how they spoke of Putin as if he was reasonable and had reason to be upset with Zelenskyy. Meanwhile, they treated Zelenskyy as if he was the problem.
Trump still denies calling Zelenskyy a dictator… From a few days prior.
I think you are at least partially correct. There was Russian media in the room (“unapproved” and escorted out when they were “discovered” — after already live streaming the juicy bits back home ). Trump turned to reporters at one point saying “you see how much hate he has for Putin. It makes it very hard for me to negotiate” (from memory).
No matter how this shakes. The damage is done. No matter what happens going forward nobody can or should trust the US to be a reliable partner in any way. Not economically or militarily because we’re psychotic. Nationally bipolar. You might get a stable trustworthy partner in one election only to get an insane wannabe dictator in 4 years time who flips the table and burns all the bridges. You can’t trust us with anything on a longer timeline than 2-4 years. And that is the surest path to international irrelevancy.
This will be “The Moment” spoken about in history books where US Hegemony collapsed. Count on it. Because no matter what happens. This is the new paradigm. We cannot be trusted.
Lots of other countries have democracy like the us but it’s the huge difference between your political parties as well as social media making the rift bigger each election cycle. I think once you guys get rid of the social media, you guys can come back.
It certainly was a kick to the European diplomatic nuts and removed any doubt if reasonable negotiation is possible. Niet l now it’s clear on what they’re dealing with for the war, NATO and trade.
Hungary’s Orban stands alone with Trump, as Europe unites behind Ukraine.
🐱🐱🐱🐱
We should really form Europe 2, with every member except Hungary.
Hungary is definitely not going to be part of NATO2
Today is hungary, but it could also easily have been France, Austria or Germany. We need to learn a new way to counteract to forign states Mischung in the EU. If we dont, we are condemned.
Yes, but good luck implementing that in Europe 1. That’s one of the reasons we need Europe 2.
Wouldn’t “mount support” instead of “throw” have been a better choice of words? Writing style aside, I hope Europe gets together and pushes the Ruzzians out of Ukraine.
I’m hoping Ukr gets an EU membership out of this at the minimum. They’re going to be blocked from NATO by US and Turkeye
To “throw support behind” is a common expression. It implies vigour in a way that “mount support” does not, so I think it’s a good word choice.
ohhhh ok… so it’s based off of “Throw One’s Weight Behind”. I don’t think I’ve ever heard it used that often, but now it makes sense for me. I just somehow had it in my mind that “throw” has a bit of negativity to it, because in my native language, it does. thanks!
In English it definitely carries a connotation of recklessness I think, but it can also mean like a dynamic and forceful push, as opposed to actually letting go of something and making it fly through the air.
No worries, I love this stuff, I’d never really thought that much about the expression before so I learned something too. :)
Trump just proved that he isn’t even capable of running a meeting, much less a country.
Even if we ignore everything else about Trump, scandals, history, etc. that meeting alone showed he is incapable of meeting the requirements of the office.
symptoms of alzheimer should be showing up soon like his father.
Wdym “soon”. They’ve been visible for a while now.
This is exactly what my great grandma went through
I noticed that with Zelensky he’s been talking about ‘raw earth’ instead of rare earth. And not just a slip of the tongue, he did it consistently throughout the meeting. While with the meeting with UK prime minister Starmer, a few days earlier, he said it properly. So he knew the word, but forgot?
Ooh, maybe all the “rare minerals” were just plain old dirt all along!
If anyone wants to show their feelings this is a great time to donate to Zelensky’s fund to help Ukraine.
I hope it blows up and next time he’s at the white house Zelensky can use his time in front of the media to thank us for donating huge amounts… biggest donations ever seen… Lol
https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/to-president-zelenskyy-from-embarrassed-americans
Also an apology letter you can sign if you want
Thoughts and prayers?
How about organising to recall your Republican Congress members for failing to perform their constitutional duty?
Where did I say that’s all someone should do, or all that I did?
I’ve been seeing this attitude a lot the last few days “I see that you’re doing something, but it’s not a total and immediate fix, so fuck off”. And you just know that the ones doing the criticizing haven’t done and don’t plan to do jackshit, because that same mindset justifies inaction in themselves. Either this place as a terrible pessimism problem (believable, Occam’s razor and all that) or there’s some people being actively, intentionally discouraging (idk, I don’t doubt it. I’ve seen crazier propaganda).
that same mindset justifies inaction in themselves
or there’s some people being actively, intentionally discouraging
Agree. It’s impossible to discern intent imo, but it is super wild how many people think this way, to the point where I actually think they should be considered a different political movement (or lack of movement).
These politics at their core are fundamentally different than my own, even if they claim similar morals or stances. I believe that not using your rights is functionally the same as not having those rights, and people should automatically always enforce their rights by default. And I can even respect people denying themselves something like their right to remain silent to prove by challenge the existence of other rights, eg right to free speech or protest.
And to be fair, this other person DID offer a solution about impeaching state congressmen, which tbh I hadn’t pursued yet but will be discussing with a quickness since we are definitely at that stage. It will take research though because every state is different and has different reps ofc.
I’m not going to list everything I am helping to organize because this is open for rightwingers to see and Nazis used to lurk my account and have sent me death threats, edpecially worse since the election (which is why I changed from being a Dominatrix advertising account which had my nudes on it, to a political account trying to give people news and information). This account alone has HOURS of labor by me, and I have 2 other accounts on other platforms that I extensively use as well to try to combat the massive online psyops.
And that’s the thing - we all have different talents. Just like in TF2 or WoW or a million other games, we need a Tank, Healer, DPS, right? Don’t yell at the healer for not doing DPS, don’t yell at the DPS for not healing, etc, and instead celebrate and help people improve on their strengths to network and build community. A petition is a small act, I understand, but it counts and there are people who maybe have never done ANY political act, who will start with the small ones. Everything good is good. Progress is progress.
Many red states don’t have recalls,
Just donated!
Also worth noting, a lot of public radio stations / NPR affiliates are doing their winter public pledge drives right now, and money will help them fund off defunding and legal attacks from the Trump administration.
If you like what little good journalism we have left in America. Donate.
Do you know if they still support BTC donations? There were tweets about it a couple years ago but nothing on the main site says they do.
Sorry I’ve no idea. I saw someone mentioned it and I had a look and donated. It occurred to me that others might feel the same so I tried to share it. I’ve got nothing to do with it other than that… Maybe I should’ve mentioned that!
How do I know that is an official or direct donation
I was skeptical too so I looked it up, it’s real: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United24
that site sits on .gov.ua, this is for various official things for government of Ukraine
like with any other country that has such presence
Because Luke Skywalker said it’s legit? https://youtu.be/jDEqM3-hQuQ
Yeah sorry I should have mentioned I have no idea, no involvement, I just saw someone else mention it and I’d donated myself. I got a nice email after I donated ‘from Zelensky’.
Guess what he said?
Thank you! Lol
“Its a nation of tiny trumps, that would fuck their own mothers if it got a rich man’s grin.” I believe I read on reddit.
