I want to adopt Matrix but getting started is the hardest part
The hardest part of using Matrix is basically everything about Matrix. They’re an unholy combination of Slack, Discord, and Signal… And not very good at any of those things
Getting my friends to shift over is a pain in the ass for sure
It was hard to get everyone off aim too but it happened.
Then again there is always IRC.
You SHOULDN’T have gotten people off AIM. AIM was awesome!!!
We used it literally til the servers turned off.
Apparently at least one person is working, fairly successfully, on a server clone. I think it was this one, but I only know about it from one YouTube video I watched weeks ago.
Sadly Pidgin dropped oscar (aim protocol) support years ago because undeveloped and insecure. So either install a plugin or use the old clients.
On the up side, a complete understanding of the server protocol means new clients can be written.
I didn’t know Pidgin had dropped it, but yeah - the video I saw as well as the git page linked both reference the original client. Is Trillian still around? What about Adium?
That’s where a Ulysses pact can help: https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/
I have my friends and family on Matrix.
My instance is over 7 years old.
Love it, can’t imagine being without it.
I have a friend who is just so damn stubborn when it comes to mixing up their “comfortable” things if they aren’t the one to come up with the idea
Very frustrating
I guess it’s back to ventrilo.
Another tough but not impossible migration for my crew, but there isn’t a good enough alternative yet. Plus they finally got around to fixing streaming on Linux, apparently, and I’m about to swap back once my new m.2 is installed.
Unfortunately this is probably going to be a buy for me.
Seeing how the market reacted to the enshittification of Reddit, means that Discord probably has a lot of upside on the share price. The parallels between the two services can’t be ignored.
reddit and discord goes hand in hand, since they often are used in conjuction with each other, where they are censured on reddit they go and complain discord.
I wonder if Flotilla on Nostr will be ready in time. The nostr community can unfortunately be a bit iffy right now, but I like the tech, and I’m always excited to see someone taking a good stab at Discord.
I don’t think Nostr can take on Discord. A big part of Discord is the voice chat channels, which, as far as I know, Nostr just isn’t built for.
It’s true that nostr as a protocol doesn’t seem to have any real capacity for voice, but given a Discord-like community would probably “live” on a fixed relay, that server could also very easily provide something like a TURN server like Matrix clients use for voice and I think video support. The client could integrate support for it, and the typical clueless user wouldn’t see the difference. For the more ephemeral nature of most voice communications, there’s no real need to publish voice chat through Nostr events. It could be done, sort of, for any talks that need to be archived, but it’s not a requirement for the vast majority of the voice chat happening on Discord anyway.
Soon as you hear the term instance, most people are out.
Call it a server, then. Tons of people already call them Discord servers. And it’d be a lot more true of Flotilla than Discord. Functionally, from a UX perspective, there’d be VERY little difference to an end user. You’d get an invite somehow, probably through a link, maybe combined with whitelisting your identity for more private communities, and you’d be in, using a client remarkably similar to Discord once it’s in a good spot. For most users, they can fully ignore the technical complexities.
Is there one very central, singular instance/server that everyone can join from, without causing performance issues (like if everyone on Lemmy was on the same instance)?
That’s required for normies. Look, 90% of people won’t ever move from reddit to lemmy because they’d have to CHOOSE an instance. It’s not that the choice even matters TOO much. It’s just the fact that there’s a choice. It’s a problem.
When Steve Jobs said Apple restricted your customizability and settings because users are dumb and don’t know what they want, I always thought he was an arrogant dickhead. And he was an arrogant dickhead, but he was also right. Average users don’t want choices, they want the OOTB experience to be as good as possible.
That’s a moot point because Discord doesn’t even have that. Community discovery happens almost entirely through users sharing invite links. There are third party websites that aggregate and categorize public communities with long lasting or permanent invite links, and that’s about the only other option. Functionally, a user can ignore where the community is hosted. All that matters is that they get the invite they want, just like today with Discord.
I think you see it as a federated system like the Fediverse, but that’s not really the case. Nostr relays are under no obligation to propagate content between each other, and for a Discord-like community, there’s no real need to. Clients are free to connect to as few or as many relays as they like. For something like this, the relay used by the community would be baked into the invite so users can connect without worrying about it. From their perspective, the only real difference is that the link doesn’t start with the Discord domain name.
Discord has a single point of registration though.
You can see the same communities from lemmy.world and lemm.ee, more or less. But the average user doesnt know that. They get confused. People are stupid. Sad, I know, but also true.
Nostr identities are entirely self generated, and there’s no need for a traditional registration with each community. A single invite link could theoretically convey all the information required to join a community. Exact implementation will depend on the relay that hosts the community and the software they use to do so, but there’s no explicit need to make users register in a traditional sense, just join with the npub identity they created themselves. Some may make further requirements to curtail spam and other low quality content, but that becomes a decision for each individual community as best fits their needs.
What’s the best alternative software to gear up to transition to? I’m pretty pissed because they finally got decent integration for PS5. I was playing Space Marines with a couple friends, one of whom is playing on PC, so we’ve been able to crossplay with voice chat.
Could we add Zulip? I think it even has IRC integration if I’m not mistaken.
Simplex is cool, but it’s more of a Signal/SMS replacement than Matrix. It doesn’t really do rooms as you might want, and discovery of peers is pretty manual.
Cool tech, just not a Discord replacement.
XMPP, but unironically
Any suggestions for an XMPP client?
In an ideal world I want something that has Discord’s “drop-in” chats where you don’t need to “start a call” anywhere, you just join in. My biggest gripe with Element’s voice chat
Depends on your platform. I don’t know about drop in calls, tho.
XMPP, IRC…
You can try matrix if you’re a masochist.
Maybe Revolt or Matrix?
I see everyone suggesting revolt but what about teamspeak?
Revolt chat
Duuude. Discord is a dumpster fire right now. I’m interested to see how much hotter that fire can get.
Enough to power cities that run out power because Canada cut them off.
Finally, I hope Discord’s inevitable enshittification will be the kick in the ass that will launch a platform that doesn’t gargle donkey balls - preferably someting fediverse capable.
Like IRC?
Matrix
I always liked TeamSpeak, is that still around?
That explains all the AI crap they’ve been chasing for a while now. They’ve been trying to juice up the value to make it look appealing to potential buyers because you can basically slap “AI” on anything and it instantly shoots up in value.
Discord is effectively dead if this goes through.
If they’re courting buyers, it’s already dead. It’s just not started to stink yet.
It has been in the works from the very beginning. They dropped their mask when things got put behind paywalls and they started censoring criticism. Hell they artificially pumped up emote slots on servers they were secretly running just to get the most users on them. why? To control the narrative. Those servers had the most users for this reason and their owners were thrilled about becoming essentially redundant over night which was more than just a little suspicious until they got found out. They also run their subreddit where they also censored any criticism for this weird bait and switch.
To those who say „who cares about emotes?“ I can only reply: You‘re missing the point. It‘s not about the what but the how. Discord is a sleazy company that gaslights their users to an extreme degree sometimes.
much like reddit its other counterpart is doing right now. Juicing up its value by “eliminating tons of accts regardless of the status of those acc”
They also put ads on the screen and have been shilling their apps for a while now. There is not even a button to go to the webapp on their mobile site, you have to switch to desktop mode just to get in.
I can’t wait for Discord to enshittify so that lazy devs can’t say “join our Discord for updates and support!” anymore.
Hate that shit.
It seems unlikely that will stop, at least with any speed, TBH.
Somehow this post has negative down votes and I’m all for it.
Fiiiiiiiiiinally.
How can it not be awful for them too? Like users may even try to ✌️search Discord✌️ for their issue only to come up short and have fo ask a question asked a million times already. Gross.
It’s quite shit already
Welp, there goes the neighborhood. If they want to do an IPO they’ll probably enshittify the hell out of the platform and jettison all remotely raunchy communities. Because nothing says “good investment” than a service that just drove out a fair chunk of its user base.
I just hope further Enshittification will cause devs to ditch it and start using proper forums instead. It‘s always tragic when a software has no other way of giving feedback and answering questions than Discord where you can‘t find anything, let alone with an external search engine. The abandonment of internet forum culture and searchable discussions has been one of the biggest losses in the virtual space.
Devs using Discord instead of forums perplexes me as much as it annoys me. It’s just the wrong tool for the job.
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Its the closest thing I’ve found to the discord experience, but it still feels young (I.e. buggy and laggy, UI feels off in a few places). Other than that its almost 1:1
Run away.
gentlemen start your enshittification.
Great time to start working on a replacement… if you have several million hanging around.
