• pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
    176·
    23 hours ago

    Teach us the ways. Just remember though, the US is quite large geographically and the cities are pretty spread out.

    • stoy@lemmy.zip
      201·
      22 hours ago

      The atomization of the citizens have had decades to fester in the US.

      Single family houses, car dependent infrastructure, lack of private communications will all move people away from forming groups, and make it more difficult to organize.

      Living in an apartment makes it easier to form a small group of common interests, you meet other people in similar situations, have ready access to private areas to discuss sensitive subjects, same goes for public transport.

      Once a small group has been established, it is far easier to keep it going, than to establish a new group.

      And once you have a group it is far easier to organize protests.

    • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
      26·
      22 hours ago

      Just remember though, that excuse didn’t matter during the WoT or 1% protests, Americans were able to gather in huge numbers and coordinate globally.

      But somehow in the last 10 years America has physically elongated until those distances that were doable before are now the biggest barrier to stopping literal fascism.

      Please stop repeating this self defeating myth.

      • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
        92·
        22 hours ago

        Are you saying World Trade Organization protests? I lived in Seattle during that time. I think protesting is good, but this is a takeover of our government. I know that it’s giving the fascists what they want, but I do feel defeated this time around. We barely got him out last time and he cheated his way back in legally or he got his minions to do it illegally.

        I’m focusing on helping my community members first this time and being a support system to anyone I can. I’m also trying to post media about actual facts and none of the hyperbole that is his firehose of taking over the media.

        “The opposition party is the media,” Steve Bannon, who helped run Trump’s 2016 campaign, told PBS Frontline five years ago. “And the media can only — because they’re dumb and they’re lazy — they can only focus on one thing at a time.”

        So the solution, per Bannon? Overwhelm them.

        “All we have to do is flood the zone,” he said. “Every day we hit them with three things. They’ll bite on one, and we’ll get all of our stuff done, bang, bang, bang. These guys will never — will never be able to recover. But we’ve got to start with muzzle velocity.”

        • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
          6·
          22 hours ago

          War on Terror, the global US born protest against the bullshit invasions following 9/11.

          So if you can’t keep him out legally, and he’s taking away your legal options anyway…

          Hey what are your amendments again?

          • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
            72·
            22 hours ago

            War on Terror, the global US born protest against the bullshit invasions following 9/11.

            I don’t mean to make you feel bad about this, but our protests weren’t that loud over here. Mostly because people convinced the populace that they had WMD’s. I was young and stupid and believed in our government.

            Hey what are your amendments again?

            Have you seen our police force? They have tanks and usually the option to shoot to kill. I know there are some to risk everything to against this regime, but they’re not the ones that are going to help the situation. They’ll just get mowed down. A financial hit to our economy is the only thing that will wake up the people who will do anything about this. Right now, they think that they’re the ones that won’t be hurt.

            • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
              10·
              21 hours ago

              Did the tanks stop Luigi?

              Sorry, I’m just tired. It seems like every time Americans talk there’s a million excuses for why they can’t clean up their own mess and instead we all have to wait until this spills into WW3 or something.

              • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
                32·
                21 hours ago

                Dude, you’re hand waving away some pretty extreme things. Let’s say that trump has a heart attack and dies from too many hamberders, it is shit buckets all the way down. There are many countries all over the world that have dictators and didn’t/don’t know what to do.

                Trump causing our economy to shit itself is the only way it’s going to be stopped at this point. Later, that won’t matter.

                • Kalothar@lemmy.ca
                  2·
                  2 hours ago

                  I have a pretty damn good idea of what we are up against, and I don’t think violence directly towards the figureheads is going to work. Mainly because of their untouchability

                  Lower level officials however will start getting their tickets punched if things keep going south with the economy.

                  It’s all connected to money; healthcare, housing, and food. If the economy takes a hard enough hit, which will happen almost certainly now (trades falling apart and tariff threats create a pretty unpredictable market), there will be more and more people pushed to the brink. Just look at the Republican town hall videos, even their base is being riled up.

                  There will be violence and a terrible economy in the near future

    • formulaBonk@lemm.eeEnglish
      108·
      22 hours ago

      That’s like saying “I wish EU knew how to protest” because the states differ about as much as European countries. I don’t hear of a ton of the Eastern European countries protesting like the French, or the Poles do. I think there is a lot of ignorance of how it looks like to be an American from the inside

      • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
        82·
        22 hours ago

        I think there is a lot of ignorance of how it looks like to be an American from the inside

        True, and they might be sick of hearing us talk. I really feel like European and American citizens are in the same boat. America’s politicians have so much power over the entire world and there isn’t a lot we can do about it. I’m grateful the Europeans are doing some great purchasing power protests. You hit us in our pocketbook, that’s where they powers that be will listen.

        • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
          42·
          22 hours ago

          Americans are armed, they have the most power over their politicians for that reason.

          • brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            11·
            20 hours ago

            Yes, but it’s also like saying that someone in London should go to Moscow to deal with Putin. And that is STILL HALF the distance from where I live to Washington DC where these fucks are dismantling my country.

          • doingthestuff@lemy.lolEnglish
            31·
            22 hours ago

            Yes, and probably a slim majority of those armed people voted for Trump. This power equalizer is one of the reasons our protests don’t get more violent. In a lot of places here, if someone reasonably fears for their life because of your actions they can can just shoot you. It’s why leftists rarely take protests to conservative areas. And the fascists just laugh while Democrat voters burn down businesses in their own neighborhoods. We need to target the oligarchs’ businesses and income streams, but too many people like “their” billionaires who donate pennies of their dollars to popular causes to appease those who might otherwise bring out the guillotines.