This is how civil war starts. If the judiciary starts issuing arrest warrants over this unlawful kidnapping, they may need to deputize officers that are not under the control of the trump admin which could pit our armed forces against each other. Best case scenario is the judiciary finds the arrest unlawful and the FBI backs down because they’re being threatened with contempt.
I fear the majority of trigger-pullers are pro-trump and pro-deportation, no matter where they live. I fear that “revolution” will entail the United States’ progressives getting absolutely brutalized until the regime seizes total control.
you might be surprised. there are those who are very open about owning weapons, but there are just as many who do not flaunt what they’re equipped with. there are still lots of reasons left-leaning people might own guns, like hunting, self defense, pure hobby shooting, etc. i think progressive people have been stereotyped as anti-gun because they tend to be anti-kids-getting-shot-in-school, but they’re not quite the same thing.
it’s possible progressive might be out-gunned, but it’s by no means a guarantee.
Wife wanted to get me a tactical looking cross body bag but I was like, “nah, I need something Italian, leather, and looks like I keep my lip balm in it instead of my gun”.
Anarchist gun owner here. Yep. Granted mine are mostly WW1 era pieces of history and others are nerdy but yeah… there are lefties out there who are properly legally licensed.
I’ve always wondered if there is a measurable difference in shooting proficiency between the left and right politically. The majority of lefties I know who shoot are pretty well trained, took classes, take safety very seriously etc… A not small chunk of the right I see at the range literally scare me with how they shoot. And those are the righties that actually practice.
The armed lefties might be outnumbered, but they might be better trained.
I’m no expert, but I feel like anybody who hasn’t faced actual, real combat involving guns is just going to shit themselves and fire wildly the first time they do face it - that’s if they don’t just take off running or faint instead. And most people on both sides of the political fence haven’t ever faced real combat.
I have read a lot of war memoirs, and the one common thread running through all of them is that a soldier/pilot/gunner/whatever is utterly useless their first few times in battle, regardless of their training.
I’m talking about the police, the federal agents, national guardsmen and regular army. The people who are ostensibly trained to shoot people. I don’t know if there is enough sympathy in the establishment to mount a meaningful resistance. I don’t like our odds if they mount a united front against a disparate population of scared but armed civilians, banal arguments about drone strikes and such aside.
good point and not something to be trivialized. it would be devastating and the toll to life and limb would be high. but i take solice in the fact that even then, they’d be greatly outnumbered by non-establishment citizenry. im just saying it wouldnt be a landslide victory and theyd face a (probably) reasonably well equipped guerilla resistance force that wouldnt just fade away.
side note, i also find the drone arguments to be kind of irritating. technically yes they could carpet bomb the US and drone strike every apartment building where some resistance leader is living, but then they’d just be the king of a wasteland.
You’re not wrong, but this has nothing to do with the armed forces. I went down a rabbit hole at one point regarding what a “duly sworn” officer is. My conclusion was that if a judge needed to have someone arrested, they can reach out to any public police officer who has sworn an oath to the Constitution. Each state has its own groups of duly sworn law enforcement officers, and if a Federal judge doesn’t trust the US Marshals (who are part of the DoJ) they can likely reach our to State or local police to enforce their orders.
That’s the problem. If a deputized officer that is part of a local police force or national guard ends up having to arrest members of the DoJ, it could result in a standoff and give an excuse to our Cheeto in chief to declare martial law. I really fucking hope that doesn’t happen or that our generals force him to back down but I very much see that as a possibility.
I mean, you do understand that the Judiciary being the ones to push back is the only legal & constitutional route we can get out of this, right?
I hate to say it, but while Trump himself is pretty weak and just in it to save himself & for money, many of the people around him want nothing but power. And they are using Trump for that since he somehow continues to enthrall the populous.
Besides hoping the administration willingly decides to stop & undo the things it’s doing, I personally think the judiciary pushing back is the only thing you should hope for. In my eyes, it is the only path left with any chance of nonviolence, besides again, a willing change.
At what point did I say we need to capitulate to these motherfuckers? The only way we’re going to end this is fighting back. I mean EVERYONE including the judiciary.
This is how civil war starts. If the judiciary starts issuing arrest warrants over this unlawful kidnapping, they may need to deputize officers that are not under the control of the trump admin which could pit our armed forces against each other. Best case scenario is the judiciary finds the arrest unlawful and the FBI backs down because they’re being threatened with contempt.
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I fear the majority of trigger-pullers are pro-trump and pro-deportation, no matter where they live. I fear that “revolution” will entail the United States’ progressives getting absolutely brutalized until the regime seizes total control.
Valhalla before El Salvador.
you might be surprised. there are those who are very open about owning weapons, but there are just as many who do not flaunt what they’re equipped with. there are still lots of reasons left-leaning people might own guns, like hunting, self defense, pure hobby shooting, etc. i think progressive people have been stereotyped as anti-gun because they tend to be anti-kids-getting-shot-in-school, but they’re not quite the same thing.
it’s possible progressive might be out-gunned, but it’s by no means a guarantee.
Liberal gun owner here, yup.
Wife wanted to get me a tactical looking cross body bag but I was like, “nah, I need something Italian, leather, and looks like I keep my lip balm in it instead of my gun”.
Anarchist gun owner here. Yep. Granted mine are mostly WW1 era pieces of history and others are nerdy but yeah… there are lefties out there who are properly legally licensed.
I’ve always wondered if there is a measurable difference in shooting proficiency between the left and right politically. The majority of lefties I know who shoot are pretty well trained, took classes, take safety very seriously etc… A not small chunk of the right I see at the range literally scare me with how they shoot. And those are the righties that actually practice.
The armed lefties might be outnumbered, but they might be better trained.
I’m no expert, but I feel like anybody who hasn’t faced actual, real combat involving guns is just going to shit themselves and fire wildly the first time they do face it - that’s if they don’t just take off running or faint instead. And most people on both sides of the political fence haven’t ever faced real combat.
I have read a lot of war memoirs, and the one common thread running through all of them is that a soldier/pilot/gunner/whatever is utterly useless their first few times in battle, regardless of their training.
I’m talking about the police, the federal agents, national guardsmen and regular army. The people who are ostensibly trained to shoot people. I don’t know if there is enough sympathy in the establishment to mount a meaningful resistance. I don’t like our odds if they mount a united front against a disparate population of scared but armed civilians, banal arguments about drone strikes and such aside.
good point and not something to be trivialized. it would be devastating and the toll to life and limb would be high. but i take solice in the fact that even then, they’d be greatly outnumbered by non-establishment citizenry. im just saying it wouldnt be a landslide victory and theyd face a (probably) reasonably well equipped guerilla resistance force that wouldnt just fade away.
side note, i also find the drone arguments to be kind of irritating. technically yes they could carpet bomb the US and drone strike every apartment building where some resistance leader is living, but then they’d just be the king of a wasteland.
Learn how to use the tools at your disposal y’all.
They may be able to defend the farmland but they won’t be able to hang when it gets to urban combat.
You’re not wrong, but this has nothing to do with the armed forces. I went down a rabbit hole at one point regarding what a “duly sworn” officer is. My conclusion was that if a judge needed to have someone arrested, they can reach out to any public police officer who has sworn an oath to the Constitution. Each state has its own groups of duly sworn law enforcement officers, and if a Federal judge doesn’t trust the US Marshals (who are part of the DoJ) they can likely reach our to State or local police to enforce their orders.
That’s the problem. If a deputized officer that is part of a local police force or national guard ends up having to arrest members of the DoJ, it could result in a standoff and give an excuse to our Cheeto in chief to declare martial law. I really fucking hope that doesn’t happen or that our generals force him to back down but I very much see that as a possibility.
I mean, you do understand that the Judiciary being the ones to push back is the only legal & constitutional route we can get out of this, right?
I hate to say it, but while Trump himself is pretty weak and just in it to save himself & for money, many of the people around him want nothing but power. And they are using Trump for that since he somehow continues to enthrall the populous.
Besides hoping the administration willingly decides to stop & undo the things it’s doing, I personally think the judiciary pushing back is the only thing you should hope for. In my eyes, it is the only path left with any chance of nonviolence, besides again, a willing change.
Do you have an alternative for me?
At what point did I say we need to capitulate to these motherfuckers? The only way we’re going to end this is fighting back. I mean EVERYONE including the judiciary.
You’re not wrong there.
Qualified immunity applies to the executive branch, not to the judiciary. Cops aren’t getting arrested for this.