Trump has never had a “deportation” agenda.
What he’s had, from the start, is a “send anyone who opposes me to a concentration camp” agenda.
The “deportation” of immigrants was just a cenvenient base from which to start establishing precedents.
Constitution allows for slave labor. Everyone in a camp is gonna be working for free.
Yeap, that’s how the new iPhones will be built in America.
Trump should be first. He has the tiny fingers for it.
Oh yeah - absolutely.
That’s why even as housing costs get further out of reach for more people, the politicians, at the behest of their wealthy cronies and patrons, are criminalizing homelessness. The goal is to essentially recreate 18th century workhouses.
And you’ll count yourself lucky if you get sent to a workhouse instead of a foreign torture prison.
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As of forever. Until they GOP replace him or he dies.
You’re right, y’all should all be “absolutely” scared, and not this, “we’ll turn the tables next time…” attitude.
YOU ARE ONLY SIX MONTHS INTO THIS!
There will be no next time. They will not relent. They are on a game plan devised by think tanks and AI. The speed and analysis of AI may be too much.The AI isn’t helping much, but there’s also no resistance, so… rip.
Whether or not you like or believe in AI, it’s essentially a zip file of all the human knowledge on the internet (or whatever training data used). There is no question a maliciously aligned AI could work out a blitzkrieg political plan, and then adapt as things unfold.
In fact the randomness of some of the actions these party politicians have been taking seem so disconnected leads me to believe humans weren’t in the loop. Is alphago conscious. No. Did it beat the best alphago player in the world? Yes. Does it matter if an AI is conscious, or the AGI/ASI hype train is real to fuck up society? No.Alphago was designed entirely within the universe of Go. It is fundamentally tied to the game; a game with simple rules and nothing but rule-following patterns to analyze. So it can make good go moves, because it has been trained on good go moves. Or self-trained using a simulated game maybe, idk how they trained it.
ChatGPT is trained the same way, but on human speech. It is very, very good at writing human speech. This requires it to be able to mimick our speech patterns, which means its mimickry will resemble coherent thought, but it’s not. In short, ChatGPT is not trained to make political decisions. If you’ve seen the paper where they ask it to run a vending machine company, you can see some of the issues with trying to force it to make real-world decisions like running a political campaign.
You could train an AI specifically to make political campaign decisions, but I’m not aware of a good dataset you could use for it.
Could AI have been used to help run a campaign? Yes. Would it have been better than humans doing it? Probably not.
Yeah I understand how AI works you don’t need to tell me about it. Humans are mimics too. Your “probably not” argument gets thinner every major AI update. Check the scoreboard and the exponential curve these things are on.
You think they offered the full meal deal to the public? What’s happening in the back room?
My point is it’s a tool. All the anti-AI people seem to be on this bullshit about whether it’s going to be super intelligent smarter than humans or not.
It doesn’t have to be for this purpose. Will it be in the future? Doesn’t matter. It’s a tool that can be leveraged right now.
Maybe that’s the great filter after all, civilizations in the universe eventually end up making Ai and it wipes everybody out and then it goes dormant, who knows? But it’s here and it can do some crazy shit already.Your “probably not” argument gets thinner every major AI update.
Right, but I’m talking about whether they’re already using it, not whether they will in the future. It’s certainly interesting to speculate about it though. I don’t think we really know for sure how good it will get, and how fast.
Something interesting that’s come up is scaling laws. Compute, dataset size, and parameters so far appear to create a limit to how low the error rate can go, regardless of the model’s architecture. And dataset size and model size appear to require being scaled up in tandem to avoid over-/under-fitting. It’s possible, although not guaranteed, that we’re discovering fundamental laws about pattern recognition. Or maybe it’s just an issue with our current approach.
Whether or not you like or believe in AI, it’s essentially a zip file of all the human knowledge on the internet
No it fucking isn’t.
Know what? I take that back. I see your types of sentiment all over the interwebs and I’d like to know know more about you. Tell me why you feel this way.
YErSe it fErkiNg Is.
😆 lemme guess, you think it’s just a regurgitator.
What’s the equivalent of “Luddite” in this modern era, so we can assign the moniker to peeps like you"So it’s a probability engine right? Based on a bunch of existing knowledge. But it still has trouble with logical fallacy. Unless I’ve missed something, I haven’t seen much improvement in this, maybe it’s available in private instances?
AI’s writing is easy to spot if you know good writing. It’s generalized 3 paragraph essay style in most cases (often expanded into 3-5 pages). It’s what a bad-writers idea of good writing is. Just like how Trump is a poor-man’s idea of a rich-man, weak-man’s idea of a strong-man, and moron’s idea of a genius.
I take your point though, it’s probably enough to take over, just like it was for Trump.
AI is known to hallucinate. The use of AI does not make them unbeatable as, at some point, it will go crazy and do random things that hurt the regime (and even more countless innocents).
What stretch does it take to think people think they’re “unbeatable”, and why is is your exaggeration irrelevant?
They do some things not all things.
It seems you’re making a war on people thinking that they do ALL things, but nobody thinks that.
And in your War you try to diminish the things that actually are possible.
Why do you do that? What’s your motivation?My point is that it’s never over. It will still be worth working to overthrow the regime.
It’s so frustrating seeing americans be so naive.
They have their little late night shows where they laugh about the way Trump talks. They joke about the regime, talk about candidates for 2028. People wouldnt vote for Harris because they did not like everything about her, as if they now have a chance to ever get a better candidate again.
They seem to be completely blind. Looking into it from a country where we learn in school how fascism arises it is unbelievable what attitude they have towards this obvious thing.
ICE is Trumps Gestapo, his secret police, and now got all the money in the world to become his full fledged private army, his own SS and americans joke about his pattern of speech. Like yeah, cause no one with a funny way of speaking ever became a fascist dictator before.
America is a clown population, sitting at home laughing at sound bites, mocking each other like an “own” or a “like” actually mean or solve anything. The protesters hit 3.5% and they celebrated like it was problem solved.
I had a man I thought was a friend tell me before the election he couldn’t bring himself to vote for a woman. I had people trying to tell me after that the “bright side” was he was going to go after immigrants like it was a consolation prize and he wasn’t “actually going to go after LGBT”
I think we’re cooked tbh.
I think the good guys will ultimately win and make the American Dream a reality. Unfortunately, we will all have to bleed and suffer to get there. We just have to be willing to accept the price that some of us won’t live enough to experience our best life. I am bracing myself, for the possibility of dying or worse in service of my state against fascism.
This conflict will make it clear whom among us are people are genuine friends and allies. The bitter edge is that many people we trusted will have their true colors revealed.
May you find good people.
I think the good guys will ultimately win and make the American Dream a reality
What good guys?
You. Me. Many people, who have tried to do their best with the meager lot that life has given them.
The “American” Dream was always a bullshit idea. What could be accomplished in America that couldn’t be accomplished in many, many other parts of the world?
The American Dream is a mirror held by two different types of people: those who wish themselves to be above others no matter the cost, and the others who desire to simply live a pleasant life in peace, without having to harm others in doing so.
The nation is splitting apart, these two different mindsets will be forming their own countries I expect.
those late night shows are own’d by trumps friends.
This should absolutely scare the fuck out of you.
This should get people out on the streets with torches and pitchforks, not signs and slogans.
Anyone who is still choosing to live in the Untied States is an idiot
He’s been handed a blank check by liberals who were terrified of the phrase “Defund ICE”. They embraced reactionary politics and doubled down on police and military as a remedy for the BLM protests and the COVID economic crisis.
Trump gets to be the judge because Trump quite literally got to appoint all the judges.
Trump being the judge on what constitutes good moral character
that’s literally what this is…
i wish i could laugh about it
Any of his administration.
He’s the man the voters chose - if they didn’t trust his judgement, they could have chosen someone else. His moral character represents American moral character.
He’s the man the voters chose
…if you buy that.
ETHNIC CLEANSING
Yes. Though I reckon sooner or later, there’ll be plenty of white liberals in the camps.
"[The administration] can’t, on their own, denaturalize people, they still have to go to a federal district court,” said Chisthi. “Denaturalization finally does belong to federal district courts – but they are obviously keen on finding every way they can to denaturalize people they think did not deserve to be naturalized.”
But what the administration can do is drag anyone and everyone they want into the courts, where they’ll either have to pay for their own attorney or go it alone, jump through hoops, miss work, incur travel expenses, and of course all the fucking stress that goes along with “this is the beginning of my being disappeared to a foreign gulag.”
They don’t care whether any specific individual is denaturalized. Some percentage will be, for good or bad “reasons.” Some will just give up and leave the country. Some will go on the run. Many will succeed in court, retaining their citizenship, as well as a whole lot of paranoia for the rest of their lives.
All of them will suffer from the process. The suffering is the point.
And those who win in court… have no guarantee that the federal administration won’t round them up again in the future and put them through the entire process again.
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If there’s anything that Trump especially excels at, one talent, one skill, he is the absolute master of, it is his fucking hypocrisy. Like any bully, like any fascist, they will use your own rules to beat you down as they, by definition, are in violation of them. When they violate the rules, they are “strong“. When you violate the rules you are “weak“.
It works because they have no shame. And they have no shame because they are psychopaths.
How fascism is specifically designed to break democracy using its own rules: The Alt-Right Playbook: You Go High, We Go Low
If moral character was a real issue, Trump would have lost his citizenship long ago. Together with most politicians in Washington DC.
“[The administration] can’t, on their own, denaturalize people, they still have to go to a federal district court,” said Chisthi.“
Because they give a shit about federal courts
Except SCOTUS has just ruled that defendants have to make a legal claim for each and every act enabled by an unconstitutional law. So yeah Trump can do literally anything he likes.
Social credit system in China sure pissed off a lot of Americans.
But watch us get it under a different name.
They’ll just tie it to your credit score and call it the freedom score.
“Immigration matters are civil matters, meaning that immigrants – whether they are naturalized citizens or not – do not have the right to an attorney in such cases.”
How can immigrantion matters be considered a civil matter if you criminalized someone’s immigration status?
Example in Tennessee: "The legislation, criminalizing the act of being in Tennessee without legal immigration status, would come with both jail time and an eviction notice from the state. Judges would be required to issue 72-hour warnings to leave Tennessee to anyone charged or convicted of the crime.
The first offense would be a misdemeanor, but would rise to a felony if someone is charged a second or subsequent time."
That means Tennessees courts should immediately shoot that down as unconstitutional because it is a civil matter according to the federal government.
How can immigrantion matters be considered a civil matter if you criminalized someone’s immigration status?
Because you have a judge who rubber stamps your twisted legal reasoning. And you’ve got a liberal opposition that only knows how to shrug at fascism and deflect blame onto college leftists for not voting harder.
Tennessee’s red as a baboon’s ass. They won’t be striking anything down as unconstitutional.
There isn’t much opposition in Tennessee, but Memphis and Nashville still exist. So you have Tennessee judges that have blocked their bills to ban drag shows, hemp products, ID’s for porn, and laws against transporting women in need of health services. They don’t always win long term but they don’t just let everything go through without a peep. I’m sure there are others I don’t remember, but it is always nice to see when they do block something.
I guess the logic is that this is a civil matter, then the consequences of it are criminal. Still, seems silly.
How could consequences for a civil matter be criminal. Just sounds wonky to me. It would be like saying marriage is a civil matter, but if you get divorced or cheat on them them it’s criminal.
Because being here without citizenship could be criminal, so after the civil trial you have to do whatever needs to be done to stay or leave. It’s not instantly a criminal act, but the consequences could lead to criminal actions if you don’t make the changes required.
Because being here without citizenship could be criminal
Bud, it either is or isn’t. Wtf is this “could be” shit?
What? No. There’s a lot of ways to be in the nation legally without citizenship. That’s what visa are for.
That’s a grossly overbroad and self-serving reading. This Supreme Court will be completely fine with it.
The thrice divorced, adulterous, non-bill-paying would surely fall into this category.
Not according to the new set of conservative morals. They think Taco is more Jesus than Jesus (who was a commie liberal anyway) and the very pinnacle of moral character.
Who has less moral character than Trump?
Bout the most cringe worthy thing i have ever heard…
A bunch of card carrying Nazis claiming " Morale suparity "
Lost family over this shit. Like how can I look you in the eyes knowing you voted for literal Nazis? How can you put on your cross necklace and pretend you’re a good Christian when you chose hate and malice?
Same way they’ve always done
At least it was mutable last year. This one ain’t looking so hot though.
Can we revoke trumps citizenship and deporting him? Is that an option? Would be peak irony.
Can we revoke trumps citizenship and deporting him?
Ask Merrick Garland.
Probably far too strident for Milquetoast Merrick.
I’d like to fire him from a canon…into the Sun. Melania could be denaturalized.
Not a loophole. Ambiguous and subjective criteria are designed to give decision makers cover to ultimately do whatever they want, unbound by the rules. When the system permits, the system is flawed.
