• Jessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    7 hours ago

    Ok there buddy. There is no ‘high horse’ here. Piracy is piracy. People need to quit with their bullshit justifications. Just own up to it. I do. The fuck are you on about Christianity? There is literally no connection to religion/beliefs here.

    People can’t afford to pay for it? Cool. It’s still piracy. One is still depriving the creator/studio/publisher/whatever of a sale.

    But I can’t afford it! Therefore I deserve to have it for free!

    Ridiculous.

    • Wolf@lemmy.today
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      7 hours ago

      There is no ‘high horse’ here.

      🤣 Says the person actively judging others for their perceived moral failings, from their high horse.

      People need to quit with their bullshit justifications.

      You may not agree with it or understand it, and that’s fine. I’m saying don’t act like we all think that it’s wrong like you do and are going against our own belief systems. You are the one doing that, not me.

      The fuck are you on about Christianity? There is literally no connection to religion/beliefs here.

      Oh but there absolutely is, and you put literally zero effort into putting any thought into whether it did or not, your knee jerked and you went right back to defaulting your YOUR belief system and insisting everyone else follow it. Sounds exactly like some groups I could think of, I’ll let you puzzle that one out for yourself.

      People can’t afford to pay for it? Cool. It’s still piracy.

      You cant’ afford to eat? Cool, it’s still stealing when you nick a loaf or bread.

      One is still depriving the creator/studio/publisher/whatever of a sale.

      OH NO! You mean to tell me that I’ve deprived a billionaire of a couple of pennies?! I deserve to rot in hell.

      Ridiculous

      I agree. It’s ridiculous that you are only able to look at it from one very specific, capitalist boot licking pov and not even consider other peoples point of view. Must feel good to be so righteous and holy.

      • Jessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        6 hours ago

        Oh my lord you are so dense. I don’t give a fuck why people do the things that they do. But these justifications are garbage. Again, just say “I don’t feel like paying for it”. That is it.

        Steal bread because one can’t afford it? That really sucks. It is still stealing. Does it make people right or wrong? Well, in this case I think most people would understand.

        And no, stealing bread for sustenance is in no way shape or form remotely comparable to downloading a movie or song. Are we all entitled to the all of the things in life that help us get through the monotony of existence? How about independent documentaries, where every dollar counts to the creators? Are you entitled to those?

        At the end of the day, someone/studio spent hours/days/years working on the art that you feel like you deserve to have because you cannot afford it or whatever bullshit reason you want to conjure. It’s still piracy, and is still wrong.

        If someone were to download my music, that I’ve spent multiple hours and days creating and editing, without paying, I’d be justifiably upset. If I release my music on a site like Bandcamp, it is because I’d like to enjoy some sort of benefit for my hard work. I don’t care what someone’s excuse is for pirating my work. It is not theirs, they do not get to decide that I don’t deserve to be paid. If I wanted the world to hear it for free, I’d release it on a platform where it is free. That is my, as the creator of the art, prerogative. It just so happens that I put it on platforms where people can hear it, with ads or subscription, which I deem to be fair. But outright downloading it deprives me of streams and ad revenue. I don’t fucking care what the excuse is. My art is not free. I understand why some artists get upset.

        Does this make me a hypocrite? I suppose it does. I am doing wrong as well. I just don’t try to hide behind some sort of bullshit excuse. Just own up to it.

        Perceived moral failings

        Fuck off. I’m not judging anyone. Just merely stating facts. Piracy is piracy, no matter what way someone wants to spin it. Is it wrong? Yes. Am I wrong when I do it? Absolutely. I choose not to justify it.

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          3 hours ago

          Does it make people right or wrong? Well, in this case I think most people would understand.

          Most people sure. You though? You don’t give a fuck why people do the things that they do, remember?

          And no, stealing bread for sustenance is in no way shape or form remotely comparable to downloading a movie or song.

          You are right, because in the case of stealing, the person has deprived the owner of that bread. If the hungry person was able to copy the bread and leave the original bread untouched for the owner to eat, it would literally harm no one. Even if that person owned the ‘intellectual property’ of that bread.

          If someone were to download my music blah blah blah

          You don’t give a single fuck what someones reason is for doing what they do, yet you expect people to give fucks about what you value. It works both ways.

          It’s still piracy,

          No it isn’t. Piracy is robbery or other serious acts of violence committed at sea. “Piracy” is a name some ‘clever’ lawyer or corporate exec coined to convince people that breaking copyright laws was equivalent to violent crime.

          and is still wrong.

          Who died and made you arbiter of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’? Was it your ‘lord’?

          Does this make me a hypocrite? I suppose it does.

          Of course it does, I thought that was understood. What it doesn’t make is other people hypocrites for breaking your own personal moral code.

          I just don’t try to hide behind some sort of bullshit excuse.

          Who is trying to hide? I have not made a single excuse, and I wont because I don’t believe it’s wrong like you do.

          Just own up to it.

          Own up to what? To crossing Jessica’s line in the sand? Sure, I’ll own up to that. Fuck your line. I piss on your line.

          I’m not judging anyone.

          You clearly are lmfao. “What you are doing is wrong and nothing could possibly justify it, own up to it! QQ No judgment though” Fuck off with that.

          Just merely stating facts.

          Your own personal OPINION about the morality of copyright infringement is subjective. That isn’t obvious?

          Am I wrong when I do it? Absolutely. I choose not to justify it.

          Sure, you happily break your own moral code and then judge others for doing something that is not against their moral code. Somehow you think the world revolves around you and that you are the arbiter of ‘right and wrong’.

          I don’t subscribe to your ignorant beliefs about copyright- so I’m not under the same obligation to obey them as you are.

            • Wolf@lemmy.today
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              44 minutes ago

              Of course you disagree, you completely lack the ability to even try understand anyone’s point of view other than your own. It was never about trying to understand, you just want everyone else to feel as bad about themselves as you do for being a hypocritical asshole. Personally I don’t do things that go against my ethics, so it won’t be working on me. Kindly eat shit.

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                  34 minutes ago

                  Maybe you shouldn’t get on the internet acting like an asshole if you can’t defend your position or handle people calling you out on it. Just a thought. Have a nice day.

                  • Jessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                    31 minutes ago

                    I don’t know how to say it any more clear. When someone says to you “leave me the fuck alone”, shut your fucking mouth and leave them alone. This is harassment at this point. I don’t give a fuck about your opinions, and your attacks on me are unwanted.

                    Leave me the fuck alone!