About the addons and stuff breaking, I constantly see posts about this adblock isn’t working because Chrome broke something, this addon is no longer updated, google broke this so that addon doesn’t work. That’s the issue with using 3rd party tools, you have to rely on the tool AND browser to work together, and not break with updates or changes. You also have to trust both the browser AND the tool to keep your info safe and private.
Brave hasn’t had even a hiccup in it’s adblocking/privacy features with all the changes Chrome is implementing, due to how Brave is built. I just want a browser with strong, baked in privacy and adblocking that works out of the box. Brave is that solution at this time.
By the way, you seem focused on Firefox, I’m not attacking Firefox, I’m calling out every browser that needs addons to create a more secure and private browsing experience.
About the addons and stuff breaking, I constantly see posts about this adblock isn’t working because Chrome broke something, this addon is no longer updated, google broke this so that addon doesn’t work.
well yeah, google has intentionally broken all effective content blockers. that’s the fault of chrome. firefox is fine.
firefox will never be able to add built in support for adblocking. reasons include that websites would not just happily drop support for firefox, but some would even put in work to block it entirely! a 3rd party fork can do that, but the main thing can’t because of what will follow.
By the way, you seem focused on Firefox, I’m not attacking Firefox,
I’m not focused on firefox, I’m against anything chrome. firefox is not good, its the least bad, but in my eyes there’s a large difference between it and chromium. we need more engines.
I’m calling out every browser that needs addons to create a more secure and private browsing experience.
I think having this built in is a very dangerous move for a browser that wants to become popular, and does not want to be blocked by sites.
if all you want is to not need to install anything manually, librewolf has ublock preinstalled.
but I’m not confident about the content blocking abilities of brave. I get that it hides ads, but is that’s all it does, or does it also block the resources from loading, tracking scripts from operating? because ublock origin is very effective with that, with its large toolset, if the blocklists utilize them
Like I stated earlier, 3rd party testing places Brave at the top of almost any fingerprinting/ad blocking/tracking/privacy metrics tested. It might not be the product you like, that’s fine, but you can’t deny the testing that proves it works.
I don’t hate on Firefox, far from it. I think it’s great for those who don’t mind extra layers of tinkering/having control on how the browser uses it’s privacy functions. Firefox, unfortunately, isn’t 100% web compatible, and almost every fox user has some form of Chromium as a backup. The discussion about web standards ignoring Chromiuim alternatives are valid, but I feel that’s an entirely different discussion.
I think it’s great for those who don’t mind extra layers of tinkering/having control on how the browser uses it’s privacy functions.
except that you don’t need to tinker. firefox is simply just not doing anything risky, anything that could easily break websites.
you want ublock? install that 1 addon. that’s not any more tinkering than setting a dark theme, or the language.
Firefox, unfortunately, isn’t 100% web compatible,
that’s funny because that’s not how I know. as I know, firefox is more up to spec than chrome, but chrome often has its odd nonstandard behaviours which web devs take as standards simply because that’s the most popular browser, and developing for its quirks is easier than developing for standards and also supporting its quirk at the same time
Tinkering - I remember when the ad blocking addons stopped working due to a Google change. Everyone hopped on the webs to see what to do next. Edits and tricks to make Firefox look like Google to the web page, which was needed to make it work again. I was just over here with Brave carrying on like nothing happened.
Firefox compatibility- Even users in this post say they have a backup browser when Firefox doesn’t work.
Look, I’m not here evangelizing an imperfect browser. I’m also not sitting here arguing anyone’s choice in browsers. I use what works for me. I just wanted to clarify some statements made that weren’t correct. The Firefox vs anything else debate is as loaded as Linux vs anything else. Everyone argues and claims their software package is the end all be all when it just doesn’t fit 100% of use cases. I use what works for me. When a better alternative comes along, I will gladly look at it.
Tinkering - I remember when the ad blocking addons stopped working due to a Google change.
once again, and I wont repeat this anymore: this did not affect firefox. only the google controlled chrome.
Edits and tricks to make Firefox look like Google to the web page,
I don’t understand what you mean here. there is no need to make firefox look like “google”
Firefox compatibility- Even users in this post say they have a backup browser when Firefox doesn’t work."
yes, because certain corporate software’s developers not only fail to test with anything but chrome, but they use non-standard web APIs that only chrome has implemented, and nothing else.
and before I need to repeat this point of mine too: this is not firefox being not web compatible, but chrome being not web compatible.
Look, I’m not here evangelizing an imperfect browser.
that I see, you are instead here to speak false statements with such certainty as an LLM does
One tweak I was talking about is changing the user agent, which is absolutely something Firefox users on here and many platforms talked about doing to rectify changes that broke some functionality.
At the end of the day, the focus of my post was that Firefox (and most browsers) need addons to block ads and options to increase privacy. That’s not a good/bad thing, just a different thing.
Brave is an out of the box turn key solution that requires no additional anything to do it. Again, not a good/bad thing, just a different thing.
Neither of those last 2 statements are false. Use Brave, use Firefox, hell, use Edge if you like it, and it works for you. I know what works for me.
One tweak I was talking about is changing the user agent, which is absolutely something Firefox users on here and many platforms talked about doing to rectify changes that broke some functionality.
I don’t know when did I do that last time, but it was years ago. there are some snowflake services like ms teams that need this, unfortunately, but again, that’s because teams is not developed to web standards, it is developed for chrome.
Neither of those last 2 statements are false. Use Brave, use Firefox, hell, use Edge if you like it, and it works for you. I know what works for me.
that’s fair. but above, you were spouting false statements en masse, possibly discouraging people from firefox. despite not risking to have ad blockers by default, I can confidently say that firefox allows more comprehensive filtering without tweaks, and with stability.
About the addons and stuff breaking, I constantly see posts about this adblock isn’t working because Chrome broke something, this addon is no longer updated, google broke this so that addon doesn’t work. That’s the issue with using 3rd party tools, you have to rely on the tool AND browser to work together, and not break with updates or changes. You also have to trust both the browser AND the tool to keep your info safe and private.
Brave hasn’t had even a hiccup in it’s adblocking/privacy features with all the changes Chrome is implementing, due to how Brave is built. I just want a browser with strong, baked in privacy and adblocking that works out of the box. Brave is that solution at this time.
By the way, you seem focused on Firefox, I’m not attacking Firefox, I’m calling out every browser that needs addons to create a more secure and private browsing experience.
well yeah, google has intentionally broken all effective content blockers. that’s the fault of chrome. firefox is fine.
firefox will never be able to add built in support for adblocking. reasons include that websites would not just happily drop support for firefox, but some would even put in work to block it entirely! a 3rd party fork can do that, but the main thing can’t because of what will follow.
I’m not focused on firefox, I’m against anything chrome. firefox is not good, its the least bad, but in my eyes there’s a large difference between it and chromium. we need more engines.
I think having this built in is a very dangerous move for a browser that wants to become popular, and does not want to be blocked by sites.
if all you want is to not need to install anything manually, librewolf has ublock preinstalled.
but I’m not confident about the content blocking abilities of brave. I get that it hides ads, but is that’s all it does, or does it also block the resources from loading, tracking scripts from operating? because ublock origin is very effective with that, with its large toolset, if the blocklists utilize them
Like I stated earlier, 3rd party testing places Brave at the top of almost any fingerprinting/ad blocking/tracking/privacy metrics tested. It might not be the product you like, that’s fine, but you can’t deny the testing that proves it works.
I don’t hate on Firefox, far from it. I think it’s great for those who don’t mind extra layers of tinkering/having control on how the browser uses it’s privacy functions. Firefox, unfortunately, isn’t 100% web compatible, and almost every fox user has some form of Chromium as a backup. The discussion about web standards ignoring Chromiuim alternatives are valid, but I feel that’s an entirely different discussion.
except that you don’t need to tinker. firefox is simply just not doing anything risky, anything that could easily break websites.
you want ublock? install that 1 addon. that’s not any more tinkering than setting a dark theme, or the language.
that’s funny because that’s not how I know. as I know, firefox is more up to spec than chrome, but chrome often has its odd nonstandard behaviours which web devs take as standards simply because that’s the most popular browser, and developing for its quirks is easier than developing for standards and also supporting its quirk at the same time
Tinkering - I remember when the ad blocking addons stopped working due to a Google change. Everyone hopped on the webs to see what to do next. Edits and tricks to make Firefox look like Google to the web page, which was needed to make it work again. I was just over here with Brave carrying on like nothing happened.
Firefox compatibility- Even users in this post say they have a backup browser when Firefox doesn’t work.
Look, I’m not here evangelizing an imperfect browser. I’m also not sitting here arguing anyone’s choice in browsers. I use what works for me. I just wanted to clarify some statements made that weren’t correct. The Firefox vs anything else debate is as loaded as Linux vs anything else. Everyone argues and claims their software package is the end all be all when it just doesn’t fit 100% of use cases. I use what works for me. When a better alternative comes along, I will gladly look at it.
once again, and I wont repeat this anymore: this did not affect firefox. only the google controlled chrome.
I don’t understand what you mean here. there is no need to make firefox look like “google”
yes, because certain corporate software’s developers not only fail to test with anything but chrome, but they use non-standard web APIs that only chrome has implemented, and nothing else.
and before I need to repeat this point of mine too: this is not firefox being not web compatible, but chrome being not web compatible.
that I see, you are instead here to speak false statements with such certainty as an LLM does
One tweak I was talking about is changing the user agent, which is absolutely something Firefox users on here and many platforms talked about doing to rectify changes that broke some functionality.
At the end of the day, the focus of my post was that Firefox (and most browsers) need addons to block ads and options to increase privacy. That’s not a good/bad thing, just a different thing.
Brave is an out of the box turn key solution that requires no additional anything to do it. Again, not a good/bad thing, just a different thing.
Neither of those last 2 statements are false. Use Brave, use Firefox, hell, use Edge if you like it, and it works for you. I know what works for me.
I don’t know when did I do that last time, but it was years ago. there are some snowflake services like ms teams that need this, unfortunately, but again, that’s because teams is not developed to web standards, it is developed for chrome.
that’s fair. but above, you were spouting false statements en masse, possibly discouraging people from firefox. despite not risking to have ad blockers by default, I can confidently say that firefox allows more comprehensive filtering without tweaks, and with stability.