The Bastion seems a really fun addition, both as a way to introduce magic items in the game in a way that’s not entirely dependent on the DM, and to spend all those GP that the party is bound to amass simply by playing as intended, and that the game currently offers very little to spend on.
I’m a bit worried about the balance, though, especially as it aims on giving the players more autonomy in gaining magic items and other bonuses, yet it seem to be heavily reliant on the DM to work as intended. The document recommends at least “six to eight Bastion turns per level” and warns about players “amassing more Bastion Points than they can use”. This is a very weak recommendation, akin to the “two short rests per long rest” rule the entire game seems to be balanced around, but which very few tables actually enforce.
The difference being that, while short/long rest balance relies on the DM to plan the session accordingly, following the recommended pacing for Bastion turns requires the DM to accurately plan the entire campaign around this new addition. With Bastion Turns occurring once every seven days, do designers now expect each character level to last at least six to eight sessions, each covering seven in-game days?
If that’s the case, my actual game experience couldn’t be further from the designers’ expectations, as I’ve never had a character level last more than a few sessions at most. It would probably be fine for other games, but DnD is severely lacking in player options and customization, and I don’t look forward to doing the same attack action for months just to wait for my Bastion to do its thing, until enough time has passed that the designers have arbitrarily deemed enough for me to level up.
I’m also not sure about Bastion Facilities generating 1dx Bastion Points instead of a fixed amount. I usually recommend standard array in place of rolled stats because the latter is entirely dependent on luck and heavily screws the balance between party members; the same can be said about the Bastion Points being generated at random, possibly leading to one player being able to acquire magic items and gather more benefits from their Facilities than other players in the same party.
Despite the doubts I have over these specific details, I very much like the Bastion system and I hope to see it fleshed out for release, hopefully with some fixes to the problematic bits I’ve highlighted and more additions. BUT, I also hope it won’t be released in the current form, as I fear it would require extensive amounts of homebrewing and DM-fiat, which would in turn defy the entire purpose behind the Bastion system in the first place.
As for the reworked cantrips, it’s fine. Mostly comprising of buffs to underpowered/underused options, which actually empowers cantrip-based classes such as Warlock and gish classes more than pure casters, as the latter don’t rely on cantrips as much as the formers. Nothing too ground breaking as far as I can see, but it’s nice to have,
Overall, it’s a good UA. I wonder if the Bastion system will appear in the PHB or the DMG, though. Some things, such as the Bastion Events, seem more fit for the latter.
I saw this and went “I thought it said once a week”. But you are correct, it’s every seven days. Which is ridiculous as the Forgotten Realms (the setting of most modules) uses a 10 day week. This means that any further modules are going to need to modify that timeline.
Either way, it means that tracking the date for your adventure becomes mandatory, rather than optional. My first time DMing (Lost Mines/Icespire merge) I didn’t bother with the date, because it wasn’t necessary, but I tracked days on a calendar for Dragon Heist.
It’s this extra work that makes me hesitant about the bastions. Keeping track of the date, the rooms, the number of hirelings, running the random encounters. The random encounters mostly seem like distractions, especially when the party is away from their bastion.
Player: “who is attacking me?”
DM: “this group”
Player: “well I’m going to leave Avernus and hunt them down next session”
And each player is supposed to have their own bastion! Sure, the standard group is 4, but we often hear of larger groups. And the combined bastions are combined in story only, they run as two separate locations for everything apart from the encounters.
Whatever happened to “don’t split the party”?
I’m glad you like the idea of the system, and please don’t think any of my negativity is directed towards yourself.
And each player is supposed to have their own bastion! Sure, the standard group is 4, but we often hear of larger groups. And the combined bastions are combined in story only, they run as two separate locations for everything apart from the encounters.
Whatever happened to “don’t split the party”?
Agreed. Instead of different bastions for different characters, the party should have one bastion, with each character providing a unique starting room/facility or a passive bonus related to their class.
I was planning on nicking a few of the Bastion rules for my own game if the players want a base or business or similar, but definitely for one location, not one each!
I’ve just done some number crunching to see how much sense the bastion turns per level values make.
The oft-quoted 6-8 medium/hard adventures per day gives us an expected amount of XP that the players should be getting per day
I’ll estimate on the lower side of things to give a bit of benefit of the doubt for how much people actually stick to that (i.e. not at all)
4 PCs
6 encounters per day
the lowest amount of XP that qualifies as a medium encounter shared between the PCs
You stop adventuring for the day when you reach a level up so I don’t have do deal with fractions of days
This means that at each level you need the following number of days adventuring at each level:
1
1
2
3 (2.53)
3 (2.5)
3 (2.5)
3 (2.44)
3 (2.59)
3 (2.42)
3 (2.92)
2 (1.56)
2 (1.67)
2 (1.52)
2 (1.67)
2 (1.79)
2 (1.56)
2 (1.71)
2 (1.59)
2 (1.70)
So unless my maths I is way off it seems they expect you to level up every two or three days, which doesn’t at all fit with the amount of bastion turns they’re asking you to take.
The Bastion seems a really fun addition, both as a way to introduce magic items in the game in a way that’s not entirely dependent on the DM, and to spend all those GP that the party is bound to amass simply by playing as intended, and that the game currently offers very little to spend on.
I’m a bit worried about the balance, though, especially as it aims on giving the players more autonomy in gaining magic items and other bonuses, yet it seem to be heavily reliant on the DM to work as intended. The document recommends at least “six to eight Bastion turns per level” and warns about players “amassing more Bastion Points than they can use”. This is a very weak recommendation, akin to the “two short rests per long rest” rule the entire game seems to be balanced around, but which very few tables actually enforce.
The difference being that, while short/long rest balance relies on the DM to plan the session accordingly, following the recommended pacing for Bastion turns requires the DM to accurately plan the entire campaign around this new addition. With Bastion Turns occurring once every seven days, do designers now expect each character level to last at least six to eight sessions, each covering seven in-game days?
If that’s the case, my actual game experience couldn’t be further from the designers’ expectations, as I’ve never had a character level last more than a few sessions at most. It would probably be fine for other games, but DnD is severely lacking in player options and customization, and I don’t look forward to doing the same attack action for months just to wait for my Bastion to do its thing, until enough time has passed that the designers have arbitrarily deemed enough for me to level up.
I’m also not sure about Bastion Facilities generating 1dx Bastion Points instead of a fixed amount. I usually recommend standard array in place of rolled stats because the latter is entirely dependent on luck and heavily screws the balance between party members; the same can be said about the Bastion Points being generated at random, possibly leading to one player being able to acquire magic items and gather more benefits from their Facilities than other players in the same party.
Despite the doubts I have over these specific details, I very much like the Bastion system and I hope to see it fleshed out for release, hopefully with some fixes to the problematic bits I’ve highlighted and more additions. BUT, I also hope it won’t be released in the current form, as I fear it would require extensive amounts of homebrewing and DM-fiat, which would in turn defy the entire purpose behind the Bastion system in the first place.
As for the reworked cantrips, it’s fine. Mostly comprising of buffs to underpowered/underused options, which actually empowers cantrip-based classes such as Warlock and gish classes more than pure casters, as the latter don’t rely on cantrips as much as the formers. Nothing too ground breaking as far as I can see, but it’s nice to have,
Overall, it’s a good UA. I wonder if the Bastion system will appear in the PHB or the DMG, though. Some things, such as the Bastion Events, seem more fit for the latter.
I saw this and went “I thought it said once a week”. But you are correct, it’s every seven days. Which is ridiculous as the Forgotten Realms (the setting of most modules) uses a 10 day week. This means that any further modules are going to need to modify that timeline.
Either way, it means that tracking the date for your adventure becomes mandatory, rather than optional. My first time DMing (Lost Mines/Icespire merge) I didn’t bother with the date, because it wasn’t necessary, but I tracked days on a calendar for Dragon Heist.
It’s this extra work that makes me hesitant about the bastions. Keeping track of the date, the rooms, the number of hirelings, running the random encounters. The random encounters mostly seem like distractions, especially when the party is away from their bastion.
And each player is supposed to have their own bastion! Sure, the standard group is 4, but we often hear of larger groups. And the combined bastions are combined in story only, they run as two separate locations for everything apart from the encounters.
Whatever happened to “don’t split the party”?
I’m glad you like the idea of the system, and please don’t think any of my negativity is directed towards yourself.
Agreed. Instead of different bastions for different characters, the party should have one bastion, with each character providing a unique starting room/facility or a passive bonus related to their class.
I was planning on nicking a few of the Bastion rules for my own game if the players want a base or business or similar, but definitely for one location, not one each!
I’ve just done some number crunching to see how much sense the bastion turns per level values make.
So unless my maths I is way off it seems they expect you to level up every two or three days, which doesn’t at all fit with the amount of bastion turns they’re asking you to take.