I agree the $5 a month option is pretty useless, but I also think $10 is completely reasonable for everything you get.
Also even if it was paid why would it have issues with a package manager? Paid software generally just uses an account or license key to verify payment, with the executable being frwely available. JetBrains and Burp Suite are two software that come to mind and both are in many repositories.
Edit: To be clear, the browser will only be for Kagi and Orion+ members during the testing phase, likely just to control the size of the testing group. After that it will be free.
So it’s a closed source browser that relies on donations? Or is it Open Source? I could not find much about it (eg. a git repo or something) and just assumed it would have a similar business model to the search engine.
why would it have issues with a package manager?
Depends on the package manager. It’s probably easy on Debian, but more difficult on rolling releases, mostly because of dependency hell. Binary distributed software is also harder to integrate in a build system and cross-compilation to a different architecture is not possible.
Regarding the cost of the search engine, I don’t care about all the things you get. I just want a search engine and for a reasonable price compared to the price of their “all of them at once, I suppose” bundle.
Depends on the package manager. It’s probably easy on Debian, but more difficult on rolling releases, mostly because of dependency hell. Binary distributed software is also harder to integrate in a build system and cross-compilation to a different architecture is not possible.
You shouldn’t need to cross compile, as they will provide the binaries for systems they support. I’m not sure what integration with build systems it might need, but I feel like a package manager should not have this limitation. I use NixOS Unstable, the rolling release branch, and have many packages that are distributed as binaries, either due to being closed source or having issues preventing them from being built with Nix.
Regarding the cost of the search engine, I don’t care about all the things you get. I just want a search engine and for a reasonable price compared to the price of their “all of them at once, I suppose” bundle.
That’s perfectly fair. I felt ok with spending $10 a month on the search, even before they started adding more features and services to it. I believe that the $5 option used to offer 500 searches, which felt more fair, but I guess that wasn’t sustainable.
Thanks for the links! I think their wording on why they don’t want to open source the project is quite slimy when it just requires them to give ship users the source code tarballs alongside the binaries.
You shouldn’t need to cross compile, as they will provide the binaries for systems they support.
Well it’s unlikely a company would support every possible system in the world. The best one can do is using something like static linking/flatpak/nix. But that means not using shared libraries which can make software start slower. This would bother me for a daily-driver browser. I guess it does not bother nix users like you but I was thinking they would be potentially missing out on some Linux users. Maybe it isn’t really a significant portion that would care.
I felt ok with spending $10
I guess I would be too but in the context of their offerings, it’s kinda off-putting for me.
The browser isnt paid though. https://help.kagi.com/orion/faq/faq.html#business
I agree the $5 a month option is pretty useless, but I also think $10 is completely reasonable for everything you get.
Also even if it was paid why would it have issues with a package manager? Paid software generally just uses an account or license key to verify payment, with the executable being frwely available. JetBrains and Burp Suite are two software that come to mind and both are in many repositories.
Edit: To be clear, the browser will only be for Kagi and Orion+ members during the testing phase, likely just to control the size of the testing group. After that it will be free.
So it’s a closed source browser that relies on donations? Or is it Open Source? I could not find much about it (eg. a git repo or something) and just assumed it would have a similar business model to the search engine.
Depends on the package manager. It’s probably easy on Debian, but more difficult on rolling releases, mostly because of dependency hell. Binary distributed software is also harder to integrate in a build system and cross-compilation to a different architecture is not possible.
Regarding the cost of the search engine, I don’t care about all the things you get. I just want a search engine and for a reasonable price compared to the price of their “all of them at once, I suppose” bundle.
The FAQ explains it better than I will:
You shouldn’t need to cross compile, as they will provide the binaries for systems they support. I’m not sure what integration with build systems it might need, but I feel like a package manager should not have this limitation. I use NixOS Unstable, the rolling release branch, and have many packages that are distributed as binaries, either due to being closed source or having issues preventing them from being built with Nix.
That’s perfectly fair. I felt ok with spending $10 a month on the search, even before they started adding more features and services to it. I believe that the $5 option used to offer 500 searches, which felt more fair, but I guess that wasn’t sustainable.
Thanks for the links! I think their wording on why they don’t want to open source the project is quite slimy when it just requires them to give ship users the source code tarballs alongside the binaries.
Well it’s unlikely a company would support every possible system in the world. The best one can do is using something like static linking/flatpak/nix. But that means not using shared libraries which can make software start slower. This would bother me for a daily-driver browser. I guess it does not bother nix users like you but I was thinking they would be potentially missing out on some Linux users. Maybe it isn’t really a significant portion that would care.
I guess I would be too but in the context of their offerings, it’s kinda off-putting for me.