It’s almost like you need to KNOW who the person is and have an actual case to…uh, prosecute? You don’t just go throwing cases around. You do have to “look” into things first.
The people in charge of ICE are federal and have internal loyalists that won’t give up names or deployments to state authorities. It’s documented somewhere though and it won’t be found until after Trump is out because you need to get people in who can put pressure through firings and appointments who will then be able to collect that info.
Here’s the thing: Since ICE doesn’t identify, any masked law enforcement impersonator could be an actual criminal. Stop and frisk of masked paramilitary isn’t far-fetched with the right spin. As another said; this is calvinball at this point.
Oh, I totally agree. I think anyone with masks and paramilitary look, no or obscured plates, and unwilling to identify themselves with masks and gear on should absolutely be questioned.
The reality is that those people are hitting random humans on the street when no law enforcement is around which makes it hard for law enforcement to engage them if ordered to. When they are present, it’s at the detention facility and they’ve gotten pepper balled and tear gassed but I don’t know what legal route they have since it’s a federal facility and I don’t know what constitutes federal jurisdiction and is/isn’t allowed.
Considering that ICE doesn’t allow congressmen and the like to inspect facilities, the obvious move is to consider those facilities to be unlicensed by the State. That removes the federal’s ownership of them, because they aren’t upholding the terms and conditions.
Add in roadblocks to prevent the trafficking of humans by ICE, where the police has to unmask ICE, take pictures, check whether plates & VINs are legit, whether the ICE have gun licenses and legal arms, and the citizenship status of people being transported by ICE, while allowing them to contact people. Also give journalists and civilians permission to openly document these proceedings.
Toss in a dedicated facility run by the state to hold potential trafficking victims, with the restriction that they must be deposited and kept there for a week, with access to a lawyer and care. Because we want to restrict what ICE can do to people, regardless of their actual citizenship status. It is better for a State to set such rules, rather than letting feds get the final say.
…to sum up: FRICTION. Every slow down and bit of awkwardness is against the “work fast and break things” mentality of ICE.
It’s almost like you need to KNOW who the person is and have an actual case to…uh, prosecute? You don’t just go throwing cases around. You do have to “look” into things first.
The people in charge of ICE are federal and have internal loyalists that won’t give up names or deployments to state authorities. It’s documented somewhere though and it won’t be found until after Trump is out because you need to get people in who can put pressure through firings and appointments who will then be able to collect that info.
Here’s the thing: Since ICE doesn’t identify, any masked law enforcement impersonator could be an actual criminal. Stop and frisk of masked paramilitary isn’t far-fetched with the right spin. As another said; this is calvinball at this point.
Oh, I totally agree. I think anyone with masks and paramilitary look, no or obscured plates, and unwilling to identify themselves with masks and gear on should absolutely be questioned.
The reality is that those people are hitting random humans on the street when no law enforcement is around which makes it hard for law enforcement to engage them if ordered to. When they are present, it’s at the detention facility and they’ve gotten pepper balled and tear gassed but I don’t know what legal route they have since it’s a federal facility and I don’t know what constitutes federal jurisdiction and is/isn’t allowed.
Considering that ICE doesn’t allow congressmen and the like to inspect facilities, the obvious move is to consider those facilities to be unlicensed by the State. That removes the federal’s ownership of them, because they aren’t upholding the terms and conditions.
Add in roadblocks to prevent the trafficking of humans by ICE, where the police has to unmask ICE, take pictures, check whether plates & VINs are legit, whether the ICE have gun licenses and legal arms, and the citizenship status of people being transported by ICE, while allowing them to contact people. Also give journalists and civilians permission to openly document these proceedings.
Toss in a dedicated facility run by the state to hold potential trafficking victims, with the restriction that they must be deposited and kept there for a week, with access to a lawyer and care. Because we want to restrict what ICE can do to people, regardless of their actual citizenship status. It is better for a State to set such rules, rather than letting feds get the final say.
…to sum up: FRICTION. Every slow down and bit of awkwardness is against the “work fast and break things” mentality of ICE.
All for it if it can be done!
Well, yeah, apart from all that. Fair points.