As Ireland’s $1,500-a-month basic income pilot program for creatives nears its end in February, officials have to answer a simple question: Is it worth it?

With four months to go, they say the answer is yes.

Earlier this month, Ireland’s government announced its 2026 budget, which includes “a successor to the pilot Basic Income Scheme for the Arts to begin next year” among its expenditures.

Ireland is just one of many places experimenting with guaranteed basic income programs, which provide recurring, unrestricted payments to people in a certain demographic. These programs differ from a universal basic income, which would provide payments for an entire population.

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    I’ve been struggling for years, living in poverty since I was 18 despite having just about the best education you can have in my field. I’ve made desperate decisions and risky moves to keep a roof over my head all while being spat on by all sorts of people and weathering wave after wave of politically motivated anti-intellectualism and it’s 2AM and I’m exhausted from digging a fucking trench to install pipes for the shitty house in the middle of buttfuck nowhere that I’ve had to move to in order to be able to work from home…

    And this piece of news made me cry a little. Even though I don’t live in Ireland.

    Cause I know how it is to feel like there’s no way out and to watch how everyone consumes art daily like addicts all while saying artists don’t matter and we should be grateful for the “privilege” we have and yelling “get a real job” anytime you complain.

    And that’s my piece. Bring on the logical arguments. I’ve laid out my feelings.

    Also, UBI for everyone would be fucking amazing. Why we’re not doing that is beyond me. It’s like “they” think that without a “carrot on a stick” everyone will stop working. If I had a penny for everyone who practically can’t think straight because of how worried they are about basic needs I’d probably save those pennies for my own basic needs. Fear is not a good motivator for workers.

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      Why we’re not doing that is beyond me. It’s like “they” think that without a “carrot on a stick” everyone will stop working

      The people who takes care of your sewage would likely also want to do something else fulfilling. But the difference is that they feel a sense of duty, the sense that those other lazy bastards that get to play music or do ‘nothing’ wont do it. Then they are left with the feeling of either doing something useful for others and get payed, or feeling useless and getting payed. Most people would rather feel useful in a practical sense.

      Edit: spelling

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      If you expected a comfortable life as an unknown artist without a side hustle, that was naive as hell. Market doesn’t give a fuck about your degree.

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      Also, UBI for everyone would be fucking amazing. Why we’re not doing that is beyond me.

      You can do it right now. Create a club to share a part of everybody’s income as UBI.

      Downvoters, you would have to pay for it anyways with higher taxes. Why not do it voluntarily among those who want it?

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        This exists already, it’s called mutual aid, I’m participating in it when I can.

        The reason why this won’t work on a large scale without a societal shift is the same as why UBI isn’t implemented already. It’s capital leeching off a big share of resources from labor.

        If we replace the capitalists with a fair sharing system, we could implement a generous UBI and also your effective net salary would go up.

        Or, if you want to go a more reformist route, you can implement a very aggressive progressive taxation scheme (a-la FDR) to force rich people to contribute more. That way once again, we can implement UBI without your taxes going up.

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          If we replace the capitalists with a fair sharing system, we could implement a generous UBI and also your effective net salary would go up.

          Which is essentially communism and a goal too far away.

          Or, if you want to go a more reformist route, you can implement a very aggressive progressive taxation scheme (a-la FDR) to force rich people to contribute more.

          Why should the rich share with the average person if the average person doesn’t want to share with the poor?

          Start with the average person and the rich will join.

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            Which is essentially communism

            No, it’s more like total welfare state socialism. Not yet achieved anywhere, but might happen within our lifetimes in China.

            and a goal too far away.

            Only because most working-class people think that, with a bit of class conscience is totally within our grasp.

            Why should the rich share with the average person if the average person doesn’t want to share with the poor?

            Because the average person, world-wide, is struggling to get by and doesn’t have much in terms of extra resources, because the rich are stealing a significant portion of the labor value. Meanwhile the rich (who, again, are stealing the resources from the working person) are spending hundreds of billions of dollars on stupid bullshit that even they don’t really need. It’s pretty clear that we should indeed start with the rich.

            Start with the average person and the rich will join.

            Lol. No. The rich will never do anything other than short-sighted profiteering unless directly threatened with imprisonment or death. Otherwise they would be joining the mutual aid orgs which already exist almost everywhere.

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              Because the average person, world-wide

              Of course, because the average person in the West is already rich.

              So there are the resources for an UBI.

              are spending hundreds of billions of dollars on stupid bullshit that even they don’t really need.

              Make it $800 billion. That would give each person $100.

              It’s pretty clear that we should indeed start with the rich.

              It us not. The rich can prevent you from starting if you need them to participate but nobody is preventing you from doing it yourself.

              No. The rich will never do anything other than short-sighted profiteering

              Even if they do, it’s just $100 more. You don’t need them.

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          That’s why it will never be approved by a parliament.

          It has to be done privately. That way, it would be like a union for everybody. That should lead to everybody earning more so that the membership fees pay for themselves.

          But as the voting shows, it’s a tough sell.

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        we have something like that in our tenant unions - we drop extra money to support lonely elderly

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        We have voluntary programs, they are called charities and they gave so little participation that they have to pick and choose their battles and ensure they spend money on those that care.

        Also hard to know if the charity is efficient, competent, and free of corruption.

        UBI needs universal participations on contributor and recipient to maybe work. Hard to say even then since the nature of it resists meaningful experiments, and the few actual programs tend to fall well short of even “basic” income.

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          Charities are not sustainable. There needs to be recurring income.

          UBI needs universal participations

          Why? Only honest people are needed who are willing to work if they can.