That’s not super common. Heaven’s Gate type cults get a lot of headlines when they do, but they tend to be the exception.
Most cults either disperse almost immediately when their central leader dies or goes to jail (Onedia cult), or they fail to keep up with the long term turnover and fade away (Shakers).
Its been so discouraging watching what happened with Hasan (twitch streamer). Hasan is blatantly abusing his dog on stream solely to bolster his image. Everything related to Kaya has been swept under the rug and the abuse will continue.
In the future Hasan viewers will accept that a little bit of dog abuse is ok because they rather continue following Hasan than accept Hasan is a bad person.
The frustrating part is people will hand wave Hasans behavior saying, “he can never admit fault because of his ideology.” When it’s really an act of subjugation against his viewers. He gets off on the fact they allow him to shape their reality and they give him that power. It doesnt matter if its Kaya being abused or Hasan stabbed someone in the eye. He will continue to inch his following into full devotion. He knows at a certain point it will become impossible for his following to admit they were wrong because that is admitting they enabled an abuser.
I don’t know, I saw a YouTube video of a dog trainer who watched the video and basically said Hasan wasn’t likely to be abusing his dog, at least based off the specific video in question.
I’m not a fan of Hasan. I agree with a lot of what he has to say in regards to political matters, but I’m just not into the drama that surrounds debate bro culture in which he is a major figure.
That said, this issue with his dog is potentially a smear campaign, and there seems to be at least some credible evidence to suggest it is.
Here is the dog trainer in question. He claims to not have any political or social affiliation with Hasan, which I take at face value, but you can ascertain for yourself whether or not to believe him.
Not according to any dog trainer you’d speak to. Sorry dude, I default to experts in their fields when considering things, not just my emotional gut reaction.
But if you’re a certified dog trainer, I’d be willing to give your opinion equal consideration.
Ugh. Okay man, the expert’s opinion doesn’t matter. You win, lol.
Like I say, I’m not a fan of Hasan, as I find debate bros culture kind of distasteful, but the only way you can convince me that Hasan definitely abused his dog is to provide me with a contrary argument provided by someone who is an expert on dog training.
I’ll wait dude, seriously. Just provide me with any evidence that has a shred of credibility.
I have a thing called a conscience. It comes from inside.
Would you sequester a dog to a corner of the house 8 hours a day all for the benefit of an audience? Going so far as to shock them to the point physical pain if they try to leave?
If you say yes, I dont need a certified dog streamer to tell me youre a barbarian.
How about, why did he lie about it?
You accept he lies about it. If all is great in hasan town, why lie?
Look, you can find Hasan’s use of his dog as a prop for his streams distasteful. Heck, I’d agree with that sentiment.
But saying someone inflicted animal abuse is a serious accusation that has legal ramifications should it have occurred.
According to one account of a single expert which I provided, Hasan has not committed what I can only assume many in his field would be considered animal abuse.
You can question his credentials, you can question his legitimacy, you can question your own society’s definition of what constitutes animal abuse. Heck, you can even push your lawmakers to change the definition of what constitutes animal abuse.
But as it stands currently, it does not appear, from my admittedly very limited point of view, that Hasan committed animal abuse as it is currently defined in the laws surrounding it in the United States.
Look, I am even sympathetic to your argument, but when an expert in dog behavior is telling me this is acceptable forms of disciplining your dog, and I perceive that they are presenting their expertise in good faith, then I simply value their definitively expert opinion over the emotional reactions of overly hyped fans of one side or another in what I consider to be a toxic soup of debate bros accolades.
If you at least cannot see why I might think that, then I don’t know what else I can say to you other than I’m sorry that you feel that way.
Social media has accelerated the forming of lots of small cults and polarization.
Hasan is a sad narcissist with a cult following, just like many other social media personalities. The parasocial relationship keeps viewers loyal.
The telling thing about Hasan is that he has done all kinds of questionable stuff like advocating for terrorist groups, send his followers on harassment and doxing campaigns, tankie talking points, sexism, etc. Animal abuse is where people draw the line.
You can hate on Hasan, but at least provide someone other than Ethan Klein doing the analysis… the guy obviously has a long history of beef with Hasan and honestly it boils down to a lot of he said she said kind of argument which is not only tiresome but rife with so much bias its impossible to separate fact from fiction when it comes to either of their accounts of each other.
A lot of them end up culling the believers too in the end.
That should be concerning to MAGA.
Robespierre was killed by the Revolution.
That’s not super common. Heaven’s Gate type cults get a lot of headlines when they do, but they tend to be the exception.
Most cults either disperse almost immediately when their central leader dies or goes to jail (Onedia cult), or they fail to keep up with the long term turnover and fade away (Shakers).
Its not only MAGA, though.
Its been so discouraging watching what happened with Hasan (twitch streamer). Hasan is blatantly abusing his dog on stream solely to bolster his image. Everything related to Kaya has been swept under the rug and the abuse will continue.
In the future Hasan viewers will accept that a little bit of dog abuse is ok because they rather continue following Hasan than accept Hasan is a bad person.
The frustrating part is people will hand wave Hasans behavior saying, “he can never admit fault because of his ideology.” When it’s really an act of subjugation against his viewers. He gets off on the fact they allow him to shape their reality and they give him that power. It doesnt matter if its Kaya being abused or Hasan stabbed someone in the eye. He will continue to inch his following into full devotion. He knows at a certain point it will become impossible for his following to admit they were wrong because that is admitting they enabled an abuser.
I don’t know, I saw a YouTube video of a dog trainer who watched the video and basically said Hasan wasn’t likely to be abusing his dog, at least based off the specific video in question.
I’m not a fan of Hasan. I agree with a lot of what he has to say in regards to political matters, but I’m just not into the drama that surrounds debate bro culture in which he is a major figure.
That said, this issue with his dog is potentially a smear campaign, and there seems to be at least some credible evidence to suggest it is.
Here is the dog trainer in question. He claims to not have any political or social affiliation with Hasan, which I take at face value, but you can ascertain for yourself whether or not to believe him.
EDIT: slight wording change.
I hate you
Answer one question:
Is a dog prop for streamer clout abuse?
Not according to any dog trainer you’d speak to. Sorry dude, I default to experts in their fields when considering things, not just my emotional gut reaction.
But if you’re a certified dog trainer, I’d be willing to give your opinion equal consideration.
It doesnt matter. You’ve already proved my point.
The question was did hasan shock his dog? Not only do you accept he shocked his dog, now you are completely on board with it.
Chow
Ugh. Okay man, the expert’s opinion doesn’t matter. You win, lol.
Like I say, I’m not a fan of Hasan, as I find debate bros culture kind of distasteful, but the only way you can convince me that Hasan definitely abused his dog is to provide me with a contrary argument provided by someone who is an expert on dog training.
I’ll wait dude, seriously. Just provide me with any evidence that has a shred of credibility.
I have a thing called a conscience. It comes from inside.
Would you sequester a dog to a corner of the house 8 hours a day all for the benefit of an audience? Going so far as to shock them to the point physical pain if they try to leave?
If you say yes, I dont need a certified dog streamer to tell me youre a barbarian.
How about, why did he lie about it?
You accept he lies about it. If all is great in hasan town, why lie?
Look, you can find Hasan’s use of his dog as a prop for his streams distasteful. Heck, I’d agree with that sentiment.
But saying someone inflicted animal abuse is a serious accusation that has legal ramifications should it have occurred.
According to one account of a single expert which I provided, Hasan has not committed what I can only assume many in his field would be considered animal abuse.
You can question his credentials, you can question his legitimacy, you can question your own society’s definition of what constitutes animal abuse. Heck, you can even push your lawmakers to change the definition of what constitutes animal abuse.
But as it stands currently, it does not appear, from my admittedly very limited point of view, that Hasan committed animal abuse as it is currently defined in the laws surrounding it in the United States.
Look, I am even sympathetic to your argument, but when an expert in dog behavior is telling me this is acceptable forms of disciplining your dog, and I perceive that they are presenting their expertise in good faith, then I simply value their definitively expert opinion over the emotional reactions of overly hyped fans of one side or another in what I consider to be a toxic soup of debate bros accolades.
If you at least cannot see why I might think that, then I don’t know what else I can say to you other than I’m sorry that you feel that way.
EDIT: grammar, removal of double negative.
The left is full of this kind of purity testing.
Social media has accelerated the forming of lots of small cults and polarization.
Hasan is a sad narcissist with a cult following, just like many other social media personalities. The parasocial relationship keeps viewers loyal.
The telling thing about Hasan is that he has done all kinds of questionable stuff like advocating for terrorist groups, send his followers on harassment and doxing campaigns, tankie talking points, sexism, etc. Animal abuse is where people draw the line.
You can hate on Hasan, but at least provide someone other than Ethan Klein doing the analysis… the guy obviously has a long history of beef with Hasan and honestly it boils down to a lot of he said she said kind of argument which is not only tiresome but rife with so much bias its impossible to separate fact from fiction when it comes to either of their accounts of each other.