No conspiracy, let me shed some light. First, open and poly relationships don’t work if anyone involved is especially possessive. I don’t mean like a little jealous, or slightly insecure (that can be worked through) I mean one person expects a fair bit of say over one or multiple others lives.
Assuming you now only have a pool of a few reasonably well adjusted emotionally people (well adjusted socially is nice but not requisite) you can now just have N people agree they like each other and want to be together, but like occasionally hook up outside the group either under some arbitrary rule such as being in different zip codes from everyone else or just in general so long as proper precautions are taken. You have a core group of N people who are emotionally and financially intertwined and N+X people who happen to have all hooked up.
It’s a fine system, have almost never been monogamous, and it’s just like the times I was monogamous except no one is going to be upset about random hookups unless there was a generally accepted rule broken. I also personally find a core group of N=3 to be the roughly ideal number, but everyone’s mileage will vary.
Though I suspect that societal normalization will be informed by the economic situation. The reality is if you can’t afford to live without 3 incomes everyone will eventually organize around 3 person core households and society will defend the new tradition or whatever.
Of course somewhere in there a lot of people have to give up on religious and social hangups but that’s already in progress if the number of articles like this coming out is steadily increasing (it is)
That just sounds like a bunch of friends with benefits. The thing that defined a relationship imo is the valuation you put on your time spent with someone. If you enjoy being with them more than anyone else, its worth pursuing a relationship. And I simply dont see how thats possible with mutliple people unless youre “dating” the group and not any individual member. Or unless you have nothing but free time on your hands. As an austist, i find it difficult but managble to handle my personal hygene, work responsiblilities, and sleep on the same day. Adding in social time and r&r time or “me” time, and it becomes extremely difficult to manage my time daily. Add in a relationship, and my life would be maxed. I cant imagine handling multiple relationships, which is what it sounds like youre describing.
To be clear, im of the mind that is people want to be polygamous, there is absolutely nothing I have to say about it. Its not my thing, but I’d like to understand it. I don’t need to to support its existance indirectly by not speaking out against it. But I would still like to, hence having discussions with people whose views differ. This just feels like the type of topic people are going to get heated about.
I don’t disagree necessarily, I would describe the woman who’s part of a different poly that we hook up with occasionally as a friend with benefits situation, though I’d be open to changing that dynamic if she was. But very much the stable and lasting poly relationships I’ve been in were effectively group dating. Like not to say there was never separate dates here and there, but very much most things are communal. I’m with you on barely having enough spoons to maintain the minimum required hygiene and meet general social expectations, I couldn’t handle a situation where I’m going on multiple dates with different people every week. Been there. Tried that. It wasn’t sustainable. But a core group where individual members just happen to have FWBs is perfectly manageable in my experience, though keeping track of paramours can be a pain since I’m really bad with names.
Having that close core group also comes with benefits such as someone almost always being available and even if not all interests are mutual you’ll share some with one, some with another, and a lot more time can be spent together with someone your close with working on projects or getting way to deep into philosophy or lore.
And to be clear I’m of the mind that people can be monogamous if they want, I just don’t get it. It feels to possessive and limiting. I don’t want to and literally can’t be someone’s everything and don’t expect any one other person to be my everything either. Probably helps no kids are involved nor can they become so biologically with who I’m currently with. Kids seem to complicate the fuck out of relationships from what I’ve seen. So at least in our case that can’t become a thing without mutual agreement. Not to say kids require monogamy, that’s not true, I’ve seen it work without that being the case, but only twice.
You really don’t need a lot of rules, I know a lot of people swear by stuff like relationship contracts and the like. But realistically that’s never been something I’ve pursued and that does seem incredibly overwhelming. Current relationship the rules are as follows: don’t bring STDs home, don’t bring people over during normal sleeping hours without approval, preferably a couple days of notice; and don’t become emotionally unavailable otherwise it’s not really a relationship. That’s it.
No conspiracy, let me shed some light. First, open and poly relationships don’t work if anyone involved is especially possessive. I don’t mean like a little jealous, or slightly insecure (that can be worked through) I mean one person expects a fair bit of say over one or multiple others lives.
Assuming you now only have a pool of a few reasonably well adjusted emotionally people (well adjusted socially is nice but not requisite) you can now just have N people agree they like each other and want to be together, but like occasionally hook up outside the group either under some arbitrary rule such as being in different zip codes from everyone else or just in general so long as proper precautions are taken. You have a core group of N people who are emotionally and financially intertwined and N+X people who happen to have all hooked up.
It’s a fine system, have almost never been monogamous, and it’s just like the times I was monogamous except no one is going to be upset about random hookups unless there was a generally accepted rule broken. I also personally find a core group of N=3 to be the roughly ideal number, but everyone’s mileage will vary.
Though I suspect that societal normalization will be informed by the economic situation. The reality is if you can’t afford to live without 3 incomes everyone will eventually organize around 3 person core households and society will defend the new tradition or whatever.
Of course somewhere in there a lot of people have to give up on religious and social hangups but that’s already in progress if the number of articles like this coming out is steadily increasing (it is)
That just sounds like a bunch of friends with benefits. The thing that defined a relationship imo is the valuation you put on your time spent with someone. If you enjoy being with them more than anyone else, its worth pursuing a relationship. And I simply dont see how thats possible with mutliple people unless youre “dating” the group and not any individual member. Or unless you have nothing but free time on your hands. As an austist, i find it difficult but managble to handle my personal hygene, work responsiblilities, and sleep on the same day. Adding in social time and r&r time or “me” time, and it becomes extremely difficult to manage my time daily. Add in a relationship, and my life would be maxed. I cant imagine handling multiple relationships, which is what it sounds like youre describing.
To be clear, im of the mind that is people want to be polygamous, there is absolutely nothing I have to say about it. Its not my thing, but I’d like to understand it. I don’t need to to support its existance indirectly by not speaking out against it. But I would still like to, hence having discussions with people whose views differ. This just feels like the type of topic people are going to get heated about.
I don’t disagree necessarily, I would describe the woman who’s part of a different poly that we hook up with occasionally as a friend with benefits situation, though I’d be open to changing that dynamic if she was. But very much the stable and lasting poly relationships I’ve been in were effectively group dating. Like not to say there was never separate dates here and there, but very much most things are communal. I’m with you on barely having enough spoons to maintain the minimum required hygiene and meet general social expectations, I couldn’t handle a situation where I’m going on multiple dates with different people every week. Been there. Tried that. It wasn’t sustainable. But a core group where individual members just happen to have FWBs is perfectly manageable in my experience, though keeping track of paramours can be a pain since I’m really bad with names.
Having that close core group also comes with benefits such as someone almost always being available and even if not all interests are mutual you’ll share some with one, some with another, and a lot more time can be spent together with someone your close with working on projects or getting way to deep into philosophy or lore.
And to be clear I’m of the mind that people can be monogamous if they want, I just don’t get it. It feels to possessive and limiting. I don’t want to and literally can’t be someone’s everything and don’t expect any one other person to be my everything either. Probably helps no kids are involved nor can they become so biologically with who I’m currently with. Kids seem to complicate the fuck out of relationships from what I’ve seen. So at least in our case that can’t become a thing without mutual agreement. Not to say kids require monogamy, that’s not true, I’ve seen it work without that being the case, but only twice.
And then there’s my autistic ass that just sees a fuckton of socialization rules there and I’m already panicking
Bro I’m with you I’m not even autistic and this shit just seems emotionally exhausting.
You really don’t need a lot of rules, I know a lot of people swear by stuff like relationship contracts and the like. But realistically that’s never been something I’ve pursued and that does seem incredibly overwhelming. Current relationship the rules are as follows: don’t bring STDs home, don’t bring people over during normal sleeping hours without approval, preferably a couple days of notice; and don’t become emotionally unavailable otherwise it’s not really a relationship. That’s it.