off topic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_arising_from_the_September_11_attacks
Giuliani let the Ground Zero rescuers work without respirators.
He hasn’t attended any of the funerals for those who died because of the poisoned air.
Rudy Giuliani – downplayed the health risks of the area and rushed to reopen the area around Ground Zero, although this posed a grave and immediate health risk first responders
Is the quote from the article but the sourcing is poor.
Basically regardless of what Giuliani did first responders would have been working without respirators. There were simply not enough for everyone and not enough time to get more. It was an emergency after all.
It’s not like he was preventing rescuers from using what equipment was available.
What he did do though was force the area to reopen well before the air was safe. This required first responders to continue working after the initial emergency. Meaning people were exposed due to lack of equipment unnecessarily.
Also by forcing the area around Ground Zero to reopen so early he endangered basically every person that entered the area. For absolutely no good reason.
Additionally there is evidence he was not insuring that first responders in the city were provided adequate equipment before 9/11.
So I’m trying to be specific about what he did that was so terrible. Rescuers were going to respond and there would never have been enough PPE.
But Giuliani rushed the re-opening, causing harm to cleanup crews, first responders, and the public. He also did not provide emergency services with requested equipment before the attack. If he had listened there still wouldn’t have been enough PPE, but a lot less people would have been exposed.
He’s lawyer and would fully understand that a federal pardon wouldn’t help him in state court. Not sure how he got “smacked down” here. I guess the headline “nothing changes for Rudy Giuliani” wasn’t inflammatory enough.
Well…he was a lawyer. They don’t let him do that anymore.
Giuliani’s brain-rot is almost as severe as Trump’s, so I’d avoid speculating on what, if anything, he understands.
When I see this now all I can think of is Frank’s Imports and Exports.
If only he’d had enough Chinese motor oil…
Sure it has a impact. If he accepts the pardon, he is admitting guilt. Non-guilty people have no need of a pardon. So take the pardon Guili, it will make the state charges that much more easy to prove guilt.
What is giving you the idea that a pardon automatically admits guilt? I’ve seen this so many times and it makes absolutely no sense. There’s one court case from the 20’s in which the court suggested that accepting a pardon “may imply guilt.” And there’s like 528 court cases saying the opposite. There’s also nothing in the verbage of a pardon that states that. It simply removes any legal consequences from relevant acts. I’m not sure why so many people insist that if you accept any type of pardon for any reason, you are confessing to have perpetuated whatever you are accused of. It makes absolutely no sense. You could be guilty as hell. Or you could have been on the other side of the planet and accused of something random. I’m either case, all a pardon does is just get you out of trouble.
This isn’t to say that I think Giuliani is innocent or anything. He’s a complete and utter dirt bag. But of all things, him merely accepting a pardon is not the smoking gun a lot of people seem to think it is.
Oh no, this smackdown may drive him to drink.
(Although to be honest, he will be drinking regardless…)
Is this the same Rudy Giuliani that tried to have sex with a girl that he was told was under 18 in that Borat movie?
I thought it was the Rudy Giuliani who still pretends to have any credibility after hosting a press conference between a crematorium and a sex shop after a mix up over a hotel booking.
So … if he takes the federal pardon, and is forced to testify federally (I know, I know, just go with me a moment), can he still plead the fifth in federal court?
No, you cannot plead the fifth if you take a pardon as you are no longer able to incriminate yourself.
So it’s perjury then
Perjury, treason, sedition … all just silly words to MAGA.
The headline makes it sound like that’s a decision that was made specifically for this pardon. It is not. Presidential pardons have only ever applied to Federal charges, never to State charges.
