Kyiv has been offered a “Kremlin peace plan” under the guise of negotiations. The US and Russia have reportedly prepared a peace plan for Ukraine that would involve Kyiv meeting the Kremlin’s maximalist demands, says Christopher Miller, a correspondent for the Financial Times.
At the same time, Reuters sources report that the US indicated to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that Kyiv should accept Washington-prepared frameworks for ending the war with Russia. It remains unclear what security guarantees would be given for Kyiv, as there is no evidence that the Kremlin has abandoned its imperial ambitions.
Earlier, Axios wrote that Washington and Moscow were discussing a new peace plan to end Russia’s war against Ukraine.
So basically, allow the invaders to invade your country without resistance?
And then wait for them to do it again in about 10 years to grab for even more. It’s not a peace plan, it’s surrender.
“Make Russian your official language!”
10 Years Later
“We must invade and claim territory, the majority of the population speaks Russian so obviously it’s already Russia”
Zelenskyy better say thank you!
Putin just keeps grabbing us by the Trump.
LOL
Fundamentally unserious “just admit defeat” type of offering. The real signal is that the US is still a painfully unreliable ally.
The US is a shit stain on the world stage.
The same type of plan the west and in fact China and Russia back up for palestinians. Both Ukraine and Palestine should not give up a single inch of land to the occupiers and desfinitely not surrended armed resistance
God damn right.
US is extremely reliable when it comes to Israel.
True, even the democrats would rather lose the election than to criticise israel
And yet, for being so painfully unreliable, especially with the ruling parties flip-flopping back and forth so much, USA aid is still sought after. 🙄
I imagine as Zelensky has said so many times before, Ukraine won’t cede shit. Hopefully, he tells them both to go kick rocks.
Why wouldn’t Ukraine take anything the US is willing to give? Worst case scenario, they don’t give anything and you’re in the same place you started.
It’s like Smeagol/Gollum. You might need them for certain shit, but you know it’s going to end in tears.
When will someone explain to Donald that Russia only respects power. Always has always will.
Slap them hard enough and often enough and THEN negotiate.
Maybe a tomahawk to one of Putins personal villas?
Trump admires this. He doesnt see Putin as an enemy, but an inspiration. Same reason MBS was welcomed the way he was at the White House, while people like Zelenskyy are mocked and scolded when they arrive.
“You can have peace. Just surrender to our rule!”
Reminder that bullying exists from the school yard all the way to international politics.
That’s because the bullies never matured past the school yard.
It is said to have been inspired by the Trump administration’s efforts to broker a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.
That explains a lot. Basically “reward the aggressor” and “prevent any possibility for future armed resistance”
Also “create a news event that will make Trump look like he’s accomplished something,” non matter how meaningless it is on the ground.
I for one prefer full scale war than this.
SLAVA UKRAINI!
You know you can go enlist, right?
I think what you meant to say was,
I for one prefer Ukrainians continue to keep throwing themselves in the grinder
Despite the fact that,
More than three years into the war, Ukrainians’ support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.
This marks a nearly complete reversal from public opinion in 2022, when 73% favored Ukraine fighting until victory and 22% preferred that Ukraine seek a negotiated end as soon as possible.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx
Tell us you’re from .ml without telling us.
These polls are so bad. It’s like asking “would you like peace?”. Ukranians know perfectly well what would happen to them and their relatives if they lost the war. Fighting a war SUCKS but it was not their choice to go to war. It was not their choice to get terror-bombed every single night.
It’s like asking "would you like peace?
It’s actually not like that at all. It’s actually pretty simple:
Which of the following statements about the war with Russia comes closest to your personal views?
Ukraine should continue fighting until it wins the war
Ukraine should seek to negotiate an ending to the war as soon as possible
Don’t know/Refused
You know you are free to go join the Russian army and go kill innocent families and kidnap children for Russia’s war if you are so enthusiastic about sucking Putin’s dick right?
Maybe you can cede your home and all your possessions to Putin? You realize that is what you are defending right?
Maybe you can cede your home and all your possessions to Putin? You realize that is what you are defending right?
Nope, it’s actually a simple question:
Do you think the Ukrainian common people should be the primary agents in determining whether or not to continue combat?
No shit people don’t wanna die in a war.
The alternative is fascists rule the world. It sucks but the shittiest people in the world have the most power in the world.
That only changes if people fight which is why it is important that the world stand with Ukraine against Putin and the fascists of this world.
That only changes if people fight which is why it is important that the world stand with Ukraine against Putin and the fascists of this world.
And there’s the rub. You can’t just stick your fingers in your ears when Ukrainians are aiming to end combat and pursue negotiations, and then turn around and say you are “standing with Ukraine”.
Put simply: to stand with Ukraine means to affirm the hopes of common Ukrainians - which is definitively not what you’re doing.
Consider this thought experiment:
In 5 years, supposing the grueling combat has continued, and 95% of Ukrainians definitively and undoubtedly wish to end combat, is it really “standing with Ukraine” if you reject this number and insist they continue to fight to “save the world from fascism” while you yourself have not enlisted?
Do you have the a comparable stat from Russia?
Putin’s nut moisteners arriving right on time.
Oh look, another .ml bot, how unsurprising.
See my answer to your comrade. Bye.
What is it with yall refusing to believe any opposing viewpoints are organic?
Those 69% of Ukranians who want to end the war via negotiation - are they Russian bots as well?
The fact that they want the war to end doesn’t mean they want to surrender.
Your cherry picked data means nothing, like your opinion.
I know… I know… It’s hard to hear but try not to cry if you can…
The fact that they want the war to end doesn’t mean they want to surrender.
How does this follow or relate to anything we’ve discussed so far?
It simply completely nullifies your cherry picking.
He has a point, regardless of what instance he’s posting from.
No he does not. You need well formulated questions if you want good answers in a poll. If you asked “would you prefer we give up fortified front line territory and forcibly halved our army in exchange for ceasefire?” you would not get that percentage.
Oh, my sweet summer child…
I guess you don’t have an actual response.
Just insult the people holding you accountable.
I don’t see the usefulness of responding to bots.
You should learn what a bot is.
how much they pay you comrade? or is it more like “if you post our propaganda we’ll give you a new rug to hang on your wall and more vodka to feed you and your families wet brains. Also here’s a new adidas track suit so you can go squat in.”
Let me guess, you aren’t personally at risk of being kidnapped off the street and sent to the front lines as drone fodder.
I apologize, but I currently have no time to indulge in futile discussions with .ml russian bots.
Try with someone else, thanks.
Based db0 not standing for tankies!
I’m not from .ml and I agree with their points.
It’s easy for you to tell other people to go to war.
It was not Ukraine’s idea to go to war.
Other people are already going to war and more will until we don’t delete fascists from the planet.
Those “other people” have to risk their lives while you sit on your computer.
They could really use your help. If they lose and you’re not there, then you kind of just encouraged them to go to their deaths while you’re completely safe.
Those other people are risking their lives because they were invaded by a foreign country.
Also I’m completely useless to them since I have never used a weapon.
Still, I would gladly go to war with all EU if needed, against Russia or whoever, just so the future generations can sit on their computers while dealing with online idiots like yourself.
Still, I would gladly go to war with all EU if needed, against Russia or whoever
Then what’s stopping you from enlisting?
Vlad and Donnie don’t know peace, they only know vassals
I can hear Zelenskyy laughing from here
“Oh wait you’re serious let me laugh harder” - Zelenskyy, pribably
Does anyone think Ukraine is going to roll over for trump?
US is the new USSR.
It’s going to collapse about the same way soon enough too.
Balkanization of the us should be interesting to watch.
I keep hoping for it!
What the hell do you even mean by this? In what way is it acting not like it always has?
US sees their cementing the occupation in Palestine and wants to do the same here.
