It’s reasonably common for showers to have a mixing valve and a flow rate valve on separate handles. That accomplishes what you want. You just have to remember which is which and only use the flow rate valve to turn on and off.
More importantly, hot water circulation systems should be more common. It’s the waiting for the cold water in the line to flush out that really makes setting temperature a hassle.
hot water circulation systems should be more common
That just sounds like a waste of energy. Why not have the water heater right next to your shower, so that there’s no wait? It’s how it was set up in my parents home. Really enjoyed that setup, never had to wait for hot water.
That’s still confusing to me. My parents had the water heater tank in the bathroom, between the shower/bath and the sink. The kitchen sink had a separate small water heater.
On demand recirculating works reasonably well but only for people who tolerate it. Push button, wait 3 min, water hot. It works for me but I know it’s way too much trouble for other people. It saves water and energy.
I assume electric showers are pretty rare over there? We’d have like a 16mm2 cable ran to the bathroom for a 10.5kW shower. And with one of those it’s practically instant heat, and enough to heat high flow.
I’ve never seen one. We’ve got on-demand water heaters that feed entire homes, but the electric versions are notorious for breaking a lot. The trend is toward heat pump hot water storage tanks that cool the air around them and put that heat into the water tank.
I’ve seen some videos about those, my understanding is that they’re used in warmer climates where the cold water line is already relatively warm year round.
Depending on your location the wasted water from letting the faucet run can be much more valuable than the energy needed to maintain a circ system, however install cost is high and the lines need to be entirely insulated so really, new construction works best. I wanted it on my house but I think it’d just drive costs way up, especially with a tankless as it’d be firing all the damn time.
and when the hot water heater is two floors down and the pipe from there runs up unheated parts of the building, it takes a very long time to get even a hint of warmth out of the hot water faucets.
i’ve lived 3 minutes away from hot water for nearly thirty years now. it sucks. if i ever get money enough to own a house, or choose where i live with little regard to cost, it will have instant hot water (tankless water heaters).
I thought a hot water circulator would be great, and it kind of is, but it comes with a drawback that I hadn’t considered. If you want cold water from the tap, to fill a glass of water at night for example, you have to wait for that just as long as you would have had to for the hot water before!
It’s reasonably common for showers to have a mixing valve and a flow rate valve on separate handles. That accomplishes what you want. You just have to remember which is which and only use the flow rate valve to turn on and off.
More importantly, hot water circulation systems should be more common. It’s the waiting for the cold water in the line to flush out that really makes setting temperature a hassle.
That just sounds like a waste of energy. Why not have the water heater right next to your shower, so that there’s no wait? It’s how it was set up in my parents home. Really enjoyed that setup, never had to wait for hot water.
Because the kitchen isn’t always wall to wall with the bathroom?
That’s still confusing to me. My parents had the water heater tank in the bathroom, between the shower/bath and the sink. The kitchen sink had a separate small water heater.
Most houses in the US have a single water heater, usually in the basement or utility room, with pipes running all through the house.
On demand recirculating works reasonably well but only for people who tolerate it. Push button, wait 3 min, water hot. It works for me but I know it’s way too much trouble for other people. It saves water and energy.
Oh, yeah, that makes much more sense actually. Now I kinda want that setup, but I bet it’s expensive.
I’m irritated by these half-measures. Just bathe in the hot water heater!
Actually, fuck yeah. My parents also have one of those bad boys:
It’s really nice to bathe in!
I assume electric showers are pretty rare over there? We’d have like a 16mm2 cable ran to the bathroom for a 10.5kW shower. And with one of those it’s practically instant heat, and enough to heat high flow.
I’ve never seen one. We’ve got on-demand water heaters that feed entire homes, but the electric versions are notorious for breaking a lot. The trend is toward heat pump hot water storage tanks that cool the air around them and put that heat into the water tank.
Thanks for info, good to learn.
I prefer a water shower, thanks
I’ve seen some videos about those, my understanding is that they’re used in warmer climates where the cold water line is already relatively warm year round.
Depending on your location the wasted water from letting the faucet run can be much more valuable than the energy needed to maintain a circ system, however install cost is high and the lines need to be entirely insulated so really, new construction works best. I wanted it on my house but I think it’d just drive costs way up, especially with a tankless as it’d be firing all the damn time.
and when the hot water heater is two floors down and the pipe from there runs up unheated parts of the building, it takes a very long time to get even a hint of warmth out of the hot water faucets.
i’ve lived 3 minutes away from hot water for nearly thirty years now. it sucks. if i ever get money enough to own a house, or choose where i live with little regard to cost, it will have instant hot water (tankless water heaters).
I thought a hot water circulator would be great, and it kind of is, but it comes with a drawback that I hadn’t considered. If you want cold water from the tap, to fill a glass of water at night for example, you have to wait for that just as long as you would have had to for the hot water before!
The solution to that is for a third return line to be run during a new build or remodel, but that’s definitely not a weekend project for most homes.